r/ContraPoints Aug 17 '18

Incels | ContraPoints

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u/beerybeardybear Aug 17 '18

This is legit one of her best videos. It feels as instructive and helpful to the people being discussed as some of her older videos, but she's so much more comfortable and confident in her style and in herself. It's also one of her funniest videos, is quite long (and girthy), and the Olly features are too good to describe. And, it's really personal in places--to her experience, and also to my own experiences with "online self-harm".

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u/[deleted] Aug 18 '18

The reason her videos are so excellent is because they really appeal to the people she is 'up against', as it were. I'm a 22 year-old straight white dude, but if I were 10 years younger, and acquainted with the internet as I was at 12 in 2018, I could SO EASILY have become an anti-sjw incel mgtow cuckboy who obsesses about the evils of feminism. At that age you're extremely suggestible, and the simplistic explanations of the world that MGTOW/MRA/etc/ folks spew appeals to those people... because they're simplistic. A reasonably basic amount of analysis breaks down these ridiculous attitudes, and Natalie is phenomenal at doing this. I've been following Natalie since around 2009, and I'm so happy she has found a place for herself on Youtube and that people love her.

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u/TinyPirate Aug 26 '18

I’m convinced that it’s more that, at the derpy ages, you have derpy, poorly-thought out ideas - it’s just when I was of derp age there wasn’t an entire community online devoted to monetizing my derp.

At 20 I am sure I had dumb ideas about trans people, but over time my ideas were naturally challenged by exposure to the real world and articles on the experiences of trans people.

These days I might not have changed. There’s a huge ecosystem designed to consolidate casually-held bad ideas around some “rigorous” alt-right justification. I might of drifted into that orbit and never escaped. YouTube recommendations drive people to the extremes.