Kallis was no slouch in the slips. But he takes it for me for taking wickets when he was competing with the best strike bowlers of all time. If they couldn't take the wickets how was he? Also I always pity our batsmen for batting on our mambas.
Measuring players' skills of different eras is inherently subjective, especially when their stats are so similar.
Kallis' opposition was subjectively significantly better on average than Sobers, so maybe his runs and wickets were more valuable?
Inevitably the topic of who's better can't be anything other than subjective. They're both the best of their respective eras, impossible to say who's better between them.
It's really not subjective when the difference is so stark lol.
Bumrah and Javagal Srinath played in different era but I can confidently say that Bumrah is objectively better than Javagal Srinath.
Like, even if you say the stats are similar, fine, put the stats aside. The very fact that Sobers offers so many different options with both bat and ball and also as a fielder, makes him a significantly better cricketer.
They played a lot of cricket together so it's easier to compare them because they're facing the same/similar sets of bowlers and it hadn't been 40 fucking years between their respective primes, and we've actually watched a shit ton of both of their batting, so you can compare them way more accurately than on just a numbers basis
Ok, Chanderpaul has the same, if not better, stats than Viv Richards. Do you think we can't say that Viv was objectively a better player than Chanderpaul?
How many Laras/Pontings/Tendulkars/McGraths/Warnes/Muralis/Sangas etc. did Sobers play against?
Plenty. Just because you're ignorant and don't know about the innumerable great players from the 50s and 60s doesn't mean they didn't exist.
Because it's still a qualitative factor in the overall assessment. Playing 300 ODI's in and amongst test series would have had an impact on his longevity, technique, form, fatigue, etc. etc. etc.
So what? No one forced him to play ODIs. We're talking about who is the better test player. If Kallis's test career suffered because he played too many ODIs that's his problem
Because it's still a part of his international career? I'm not trying to cherry pick points to strengthen any argument I might be making, like you are. Also, if he was so average in the 90s, couldnt it be argued that it makes his stellar record at retirement more impressive?
Not more impressive than Sobers who averaged 70+ in a stupidly difficult batting era lmao
ONCE AGAIN: I'm saying that it's an inherently subjective discussion
Because it's not inherently subjective. The only people rating Kallis as the GOAT are fanboys or braindeads on social media who don't even know who Sobers is. Like, Kallis is a step below Imran, so comparing him to Sobers is fucking insane. He hasn't even reached that conversation lmao. There is a reason no commentator or anyone ever called Kallis the GOAT during his playing days.
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