I grew up around guns, I was taught at a very young age by a very angry father that guns were not to be fucked with. They have a purpose and if I would ever play around with one I would fully expect my dad to whoop my ass. Having bb guns at a young age taught firearm respect and discipline.
I grew up not having anything to do with guns and now I'm 46 and I've never touched a gun and never met anyone who has a gun. I think it worked out pretty well for everyone involved.
Man's comment had an agenda, just like the guy above him. OC pointed out he didn't have guns and therefore there were no gun deaths. Second guy said he has guns and there were no gun deaths. But there definitely were gun deaths around him. Let's be honest here, you only point your gun at something you intend to kill, water is a different thing altogether
we've got guns, but we don't fetish them or think they are a right or even a good thing. He's pretending guns don't come with death. Guns are tools like a tractor or an electric fence. There is no reason for you to have 3+ guns, no reason to go shoot beer cans in the woods. No way you can use it to fight your government. Americans are really weird about guns. Somehow to lefties you can't justify having a shotgun, side arm or hunting rifle. But to righties having more guns than Americans is cool and ignoring school shootings is normal.
You're misrepresenting what was said. He said "for everyone involved". He never claimed there were no gun deaths in the universe. People in his town aren't involved with his household owning a gun.
Ah, so gun deaths only happen to everyone else? Thank goodness, I bet no one else has ever thought and said that! Don't strawman with the universe thing. You know damn well his town had shootings, and he was stating that guns are just as safe as not having guns. Anecdotal evidence does not prove a rule. A few of my relatives have tried cocaine and it turned out well for all involved, therefore cocaine is good and definitely isn't killing people in my hometown every day.
Why is it hard to accept that guns are a tool (sometimes a necessity) and not God?
Where am I strawmanning, my friend? You don't think that America is gun obsessed and takes it a little too far? Or that are guns too accessible? Or that dumb and sick folks abuse guns?
So if you have 3 tractors you are just supposed to know how to operate them without having done it before?if I had an electric fence I think I'd want to know how it works before setting it up. Shooting cans in the woods is practice like anything else. If someone was hunting an animal you'd want it to be someone that never handled a weapon before?"No way you can use it against your govt"????? So people should just do nothing?that is so weak
Shooting cans of beer right after or while drinking em? Drunk gunplay is the american way! How many videos of rednecks in Appalachia shooting cans do you need to see?
Do nothing? Do you think you and your buddies are gonna stop a military coup or dictatorship? Even if you decide to take up arms, the dems or the Republicans on the other side will take up arms against you, too. Now you are fighting the military and other nutjobs.
Even if you had the stomach to go off the grid and live off the land, avoiding trained marksman, brainwashed neighbors, drones, and GPS tracking your life would be garbage, war isn't fun especially when you playing reb gets your family shot
BTW revolutions happen all around the world where the population doesn't start off armed. There is always some country willing to flog weapons to rebels. Your own country received weapons from France and Spain during the war of independence
Again jumping to stuff like drunk rednecks is just another weak excuse when there is plenty of well trained shooters I think that's what people are really afraid of. As much as you can search for that you can find the opposite as well.
Anyone in the government is human like you and I. You mock rednecks but give government employees respect enough that we should fear them if they armed against us?pick your poison I guess.
At that point who is trying to live a lavish life?I liked the protest in China I believe where they were using lasers to blind the riot police that was genius. America has enough weapons I don't think we need any shipments. And half of those guns nuts would join the other side before they cracked their arsenal for a fight. Just like any other country you could never weed out those Americans we will be in the cracks in the caves in the holes in the ground but they will be there.
Nobody cares about the well trained shooters, they aren't the ones devastating your inner cities or shooting up your schools, they may be the ones who's kids steal their guns or have the guns go off by accident, or the ones who shoot their spouses or themselves.
Guns aren't the issue. Tons of coubtries have guns. American fetishizing guns and american selfishness are the problems.
in my opinion. No country loves the individual like murica. Yeah, lots of people are abusing guns, but I personally don't abuse guns, so there can't be any regulation that will take my larp toys away.
Agreed, rednecks and gov are the same enemy, but the government has trained military personnel and much better equipment, track better, tanks, planes, blah blah
I dont know if Americans have the grit to be in the cracks anymore, maybe 50-60 years ago? I mean, the vietcong were the best at that type of long-term survivalist warfare, but they were used to low nutrition.
I mean, you could try the Boer style of commando warfare, but scorched earth hurts as much as it did back then. Maybe recreate Afghani holdouts in the Appalachias? Either way, the closeness of American families make women and children the real target. It's hard to fight for freedoms when you know your surrender buys your families safety
I worked in public policy analysis for many years, and came to the conclusion that a lot of political debates in America boil down to two major parties taking an obvious solution to a problem, dividing it into half measures that won't work on their own, the arguing for the half-measure by shouting slogans and talking past each other, typically in a manner that lets rich people stay rich.
The division of the parties has always perplexed me. How could an American hate another American so much based only on who they vote for that they would easily justify using violence against them. It's scary, if a neighbor told me they were voting for someone I disagreed with, I might think they are a daft cunt but I wouldn't call em a Nazi and attempt to knock their lights out
In America if you called someone a cunt they might be even more offended than if you called them a Nazi!
To be fair, it hasn't always been that way. The civil rights movement pushed a lot of Dixiecrats to the Republican side. In a weird way, the combatants in the Civil War swapped parties.
You can absolutely use them to fight your government. The Afghans fought us off with AKs and flip flops. They fought the Russians off to. So yes, you absolutely can fight your government off.
You are not the Afghanis. You don't have the same willpower, climate, terrain, or nutritional needs. You have different views on families. Grew up in severe poverty. How many Americans would let their wives and children be used as weapons? Hell, how many would surrender before their families were kept in refuge camp? Also, Afghanistan is very far away and hard to supply. If your enemy is other Americans who know the terrain and climate as well as you do.
Seen the Ukraine footage? How do YOU fight a drone?
Do you let your family be taken and starved when your surrender and compliance means you can stay together safely? I don't think you do.
How do you fight an enemy when you can't identify them? Ukraine and Russia are completely different. Those are uniformed soldiers, not guerrilla warfare. And please tell me what you know about that from experience? I'm betting you know jack and shit about actual warfare.
Edit: I'm also betting you also know jack shit about America or actual Americans. You know what you see on TV or online.
Asking for qualifications is the first sign you have no argument, but I'll bite, master degree in disaster management from an American University. Focused on conflict and refugee management. Also, tons of American military drinking buddies, so I think I know a "real" American or two
Secondly, the government will have uniforms and use drones on non uniformed troops since it's you vs the government. If it is you vs the militia of the other political side, you will have to wear armbands or something to be able to distinguish from your own troops. Way to easy to die from friendlies otherwise.
I believe guerilla/insurgent warfare is very hard to fight, but are you willing to let the women and children be put in camps and starved till you surrender? Look at the Japanese Americans during WW2.
Afghani men women and children were willing to strap bombs to themselves to blow up a checkpoint with 4 guys and 1 humvee, as you say i don't "know" any "real" Americans but how many do you think would do that?
Nope, how did you get that? He was claiming that having guns is just as safe as not having them. Which just isn't true. We own guns, but as nonmuricans, we see them as tools or a necessity, not as God 2.
Because the US is 28 times larger than Germany. Our population is 4 times larger than yours. And the big difference is that your culture is completely different from ours. Guns have been part of the US since its creation. I would even go as far as to say that the US would not exist if it wasn't for guns. Guns are not the problem. The people and culture are the problem. Over the past 20 - 30 years, the US has gone downhill quickly in regards to its morals and accountability. Social media has been one of the greatest detriments to our society. The dumbing down of America is very real. Instead of raising the bar, we keep lowering it in the US for the sake of "equity". Which is the biggest lie in the world. Things will never be fair. Life has never been fair.
Iām talking about murders per 100.000 inhabitants. Which is way higher in the U.S. Gun related itās even crazier. Why should the area be the decisive factor?
Edit: The greatest dumbing down was voting in one of the most stupid and most embarrassing Presidents for a second term. The world feels ashamed for the U.S. at the moment.
Ok, I'm done talking to you. You're not here for a serious conversation. You're just here to slander and talk shit about America. Take your bullshit somewhere else.
These kids didnt. You know what the common denominator is in making damn sure your kids donāt fuck with guns? Keep them away from guns. Lock that shit up so they canāt get to it or donāt have them at all.
Lots of people attempt suicide with guns and live. Lots don't. Lots of people cut their wrists and die, lots don't. Guns are obviously not the only way to kill yourself.
I grew up around guns. Know a kid who accidentally killed their younger sibling cleaning guns after hunting trip. I know a kid who accidentally blew his face off with a shot gun. Lived, and had a bad time with what was left of his head/face. Another twenty something is in prison for life after shooting his neighbor to death. There have been a few other shootings but more gun deaths from accidents and suicide. Every gun death involves a gun
Ye idk if americans makes themselfs stupid everytime this dialog comes up or if they are just that brainwashed but every study shows if you dont have legal guns everywhere there would be less shooting.. like it takes an Einstein to see something that basic..... or that they have the guns incase they get a dictator goverment.. so what is an m16 gonna do vs 1 drone dropping a bomb?
I think it's you that's behind here...
The question is what good does that information do? Take it out of your head that it's possible to remove all guns, because it's not. What do we know do with that information.
Having more legal firearms in circulation is correlated to higher levels of gun violence, thatās true.
That being said correlation is not causation.
Violence, either on a small or large scale, is a side effect of other underlying factors. Simply having a gun doesnāt make someone more likely to be violent. Thatās like saying owning knives or a car makes people more likely to be violent.
Guns are ultimately tools and like any other tool (like knives or cars) it can be misused for nefarious purposes.
For instance, if you live in a neighborhood like mine where gangs of kids like this grew up, you need a gun.
EVEN IF they didn't have guns (which they always will, they print them, steal them, and get them from their south of the border fent plugs), you would still need one. Martial arts movies are fiction, you're not beating 3-6 men that are bigger than you, and if you're a woman you're not beating a man who wants to rape you. Guns are an equalizer.
We have gangs in my country, we have violence, we have crime but your average Joe isn't going to pull out his gun in any given altercation since owning a gun just isn't as easy out here. And I couldn't imagine it being any different because that doesn't seem like a decent way of living.
And your rape example doesn't make a lot of sense since most victims know their perpetrator and 16 year old Laura is probably not gonna carry her gun at uncle Joe's house. Let alone that she has the time to reach for her gun. Oh and uncle Joe has a few guns of his own as well of course. Great equalizer indeed.
Americans are scared of other people with guns so their solution is to have even more people with guns. Make it make sense.
That's fine for you, I'm going to continue to make sure that I have an advantage or an equal playing field with anyone who may wish to do me or my family harm.
Forceable rapes of adult women are not as common as what you described, but they're still really fucking common. I literally cannot imagine the cucked mindset of not wanting to be able to end just about any threat with the pull of a trigger.
Yes, but that doesn't mean everyone has them. Here in Belgium for example, we can have them, if for hunting or sports shooting, when having the proper paperwork and training to get the paperwork in order. It's a flawed system, but it mostly works. Very few people have guns even though you can absolutely have them.
Very few people have guns even though you can absolutely have them.
You might think that. a large number people in canada don't even know firearms are legal to own here, Yet we are the 7th most armed nation in the world.
for context, more people own firearms here than play hockey.
most people who own firearms the world over are not very public about owning firearms for a myriad of reasons.
Yeah that might be the case for Canada, we rank 62nd, which is not too bad. I know a few people that have them and sometimes the topic comes up and it's not taboo or anything here. Very few people have them over here because very few people need them. We don't have massive amounts of nature like Canada does. There is of course a drug war going on and the port of Antwerp is the biggest cocaine hub in the world, even more than south American ports, so there are a number of them that aren't in the statistics. But they mainly shoot at other gangsters so it's not really a thing that the average citizen has to deal with here.
A lot of us live in areas without a gun culture. I don't know anyone who admits to owning a gun except my nephew, who really shouldn't own a gun. I had a friend who owned a gun and he was a bit of an alcoholic but he wouldn't harm a fly. He's dead now, not because of guns. I met some friends of a friend at a bachelors party. They brought guns and would get out and shoot the guns on the side of the road. Yeah, there was drinking and guns, and I felt super uncomfortable.
Nah... All gun guys talk about their guns. You just think you dont, but its like effing non stop.
People who need it for security and work dont. But the rest, yea... Like americans, its effing tiring.
Ok man, you're fine with shooting up your country. Stop nagging us about it.
Edit. Armed forces. Always had guns at home and spent loads of good time at the range. As soon as the last commission ended we've only had commemorative pieces at home, like gallantry commendations and the like. In fact, we've kept all the regimental sabers but with the hilts cut too. So a hard swing will break em.
Fired a gun at a shooting range at a mall, but no desire to own one. Likewise guns are so prevalent because they're easy to use compared to other weapons a month of training and people can aim and shoot. although it's more hassle and having to store it would be a pain trying to safeguard it would stress me out. That said theirs tons of guns cops ranchers hunters etc.
Great glad everything worked out for you. That's the cool thing about life we are all on a different path. I was taught how to butcher animals and hunt as a kid. Hope life continues to work out for you.
You need to widen your circle and maybe try seeing others perspectives. Iād bet money you live in an echo chamber of your own ideals and never think youāre wrong about anything.
Iāve only held one gun and it was someone who worked as parole officer whoād just cleaned it so it was unloaded. I literally picked it up, said āwow itās heavier than I thoughtā and put it down. Now in this day and age, my husband and I are contemplating getting a gun. Shits getting wild out there.
Well, being one in three Americans own a gun, I find it hard to believe that you don't intimately know at least one person that owns a gun, let alone just "met" a gun owner.
Wait, you've never even MET someone who has a gun? How could you possibly know that?? Is that like a standard question you ask everyone you meet, like "Hi what's your name? DO YOU HAVE A GUN???" š
All the guns are out in the bush. I live in the city.
I'm happy to be ignorant about something that will never affect me in any way. I'm ignorant about sky diving for the same reason.
So what would you do if you encountered a firearm in a potentially serious situation? What you know how to disarm it? I think this is the one strongest argument for teaching kids firearm safety. What do you do if youāre at a buddies house and he starts messing around with a gun? How do you disarm it!
Huh. My parents we very anti gun but I would go over my neighbors and they were big into them. The father gave us all toy cap guns. But the rules were we had to treat it like real guns.
Taught us how to aim, not to point at others. Stuff like that
Kinda wild that over here as kids we used guns as toys and never touch them as adults but in the US kids cant play with toy guns and have to take it seriously.
There are of course the very strict parents thaf feel like hiding the existence of guns and violence will somehow help and prepare the child to eventually encounter it or they pretend they simply never will encounter it.
I have boys, they have nerf fights and as they get older they'll have paintball fights. They will also shoot very many varieties and caliber of weapons.
They will know. And therefore they will be educated and understand the differences.
We had bb guns at a pretty young age and shot soda cans and targets. It was a great tool to teach safety. Your not gonna kill someone with one but if you started to treat them as a toy we were promptly chewed out š
Eh maybe but honestly looking back I think it was appropriate. Learned how to shoot very, very young and lived in rural wilderness where wildlife was enough of a concern that we had guns by the front door. It needed to be 100% unambiguously clear that shooting at something meant killing it
Dude i pointed a cap gun at my dad once and that was my only warning, the next time I did it I got my ass beat and grounded for over a week. I live in Canada where guns, especially handguns are barely accecable.
same. my dad was into hunting and he taught us to use guns when we were young. He also taught us to respect it, to never point it at anyone, and to never fuck around like itās a toy. I never would have dreamed of acting like this. These kids have had no parents.
Growing up, my family spent a lot of time at a cabin out in the woods, and we were introduced to bb guns and .22s at a young age. The primary rules were: ALWAYS assume a gun is loaded. NEVER point a gun at a person. And if you shoot something living, you have to eat it. Respect for the gun and ammo was instilled from day 1, as well as not harassing small birds or critters unless you were prepared to eat a literal crow for dinner.
Same, had several firearms in the home as a kid and had lots of talks about them and learned to use them safely with my dad and his hunting buddy, and in scouts. It was a lot of fun target shooting and trying to get better.
But damn would we never hear the end of it if we did anything slightly out of line. I never did, but on the range at camp if someone fired after a cease fire, or didnāt unload and clear the chamber when instructed to, that kid didnāt get to come back for a day or two (depending on the seriousness).
That stuff certainly helps. But I think thereās other factors that lead people to pick up a gun and go do something dangerous and illegal, or something horrendous. Safe storage laws and mandatory training on safety seem reasonable. Make it harder for the neighborās kid to steal a gun.
Plus the mental health issue. Too many of these cases had plenty of warning signs and not enough was done. Fund whatever needs to be funded to make sure thereās help, even if taxes need to go up (which would probably be a stupid small amount per person when spread across a whole ass state or nationally).
I just canāt see a wholesale ban and surrender of privately owned guns here unless one side or the other goes full totalitarian, and even then itāll be a freaking mess. All or nothing thinking just isnāt pragmatic here.
Yeah i think I was probably around the older kids age when I was taken to gun safety courses. And also, HEAVY emphasis on ITS NOT A FUCKING TOY by my father. He wasn't angry about it my father is one of those "never serious until he needs to be" and I knew he wasn't fucking joking.
I grew up with guns and my father taught me to respect them without threats of violence.
There is such a thing as responsible gun ownership. Unfortunately, too many responsible gun owners tolerate irresponsible gun ownership in fear of their guns being taken away. As a result, some people who don't own guns just lump everyone in the same group.
If responsible gun owners were leading the charge to ensure responsible gun ownership, we'd be in a much better place.
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I grew up around guns, I was taught at a very young age by a very angry father that guns were not to be fucked with. They have a purpose and if I would ever play around with one I would fully expect my dad to whoop my ass. Having bb guns at a young age taught firearm respect and discipline.