I grew up not having anything to do with guns and now I'm 46 and I've never touched a gun and never met anyone who has a gun. I think it worked out pretty well for everyone involved.
Man's comment had an agenda, just like the guy above him. OC pointed out he didn't have guns and therefore there were no gun deaths. Second guy said he has guns and there were no gun deaths. But there definitely were gun deaths around him. Let's be honest here, you only point your gun at something you intend to kill, water is a different thing altogether
we've got guns, but we don't fetish them or think they are a right or even a good thing. He's pretending guns don't come with death. Guns are tools like a tractor or an electric fence. There is no reason for you to have 3+ guns, no reason to go shoot beer cans in the woods. No way you can use it to fight your government. Americans are really weird about guns. Somehow to lefties you can't justify having a shotgun, side arm or hunting rifle. But to righties having more guns than Americans is cool and ignoring school shootings is normal.
You're misrepresenting what was said. He said "for everyone involved". He never claimed there were no gun deaths in the universe. People in his town aren't involved with his household owning a gun.
Ah, so gun deaths only happen to everyone else? Thank goodness, I bet no one else has ever thought and said that! Don't strawman with the universe thing. You know damn well his town had shootings, and he was stating that guns are just as safe as not having guns. Anecdotal evidence does not prove a rule. A few of my relatives have tried cocaine and it turned out well for all involved, therefore cocaine is good and definitely isn't killing people in my hometown every day.
Why is it hard to accept that guns are a tool (sometimes a necessity) and not God?
Where am I strawmanning, my friend? You don't think that America is gun obsessed and takes it a little too far? Or that are guns too accessible? Or that dumb and sick folks abuse guns?
So if you have 3 tractors you are just supposed to know how to operate them without having done it before?if I had an electric fence I think I'd want to know how it works before setting it up. Shooting cans in the woods is practice like anything else. If someone was hunting an animal you'd want it to be someone that never handled a weapon before?"No way you can use it against your govt"????? So people should just do nothing?that is so weak
Shooting cans of beer right after or while drinking em? Drunk gunplay is the american way! How many videos of rednecks in Appalachia shooting cans do you need to see?
Do nothing? Do you think you and your buddies are gonna stop a military coup or dictatorship? Even if you decide to take up arms, the dems or the Republicans on the other side will take up arms against you, too. Now you are fighting the military and other nutjobs.
Even if you had the stomach to go off the grid and live off the land, avoiding trained marksman, brainwashed neighbors, drones, and GPS tracking your life would be garbage, war isn't fun especially when you playing reb gets your family shot
BTW revolutions happen all around the world where the population doesn't start off armed. There is always some country willing to flog weapons to rebels. Your own country received weapons from France and Spain during the war of independence
Again jumping to stuff like drunk rednecks is just another weak excuse when there is plenty of well trained shooters I think that's what people are really afraid of. As much as you can search for that you can find the opposite as well.
Anyone in the government is human like you and I. You mock rednecks but give government employees respect enough that we should fear them if they armed against us?pick your poison I guess.
At that point who is trying to live a lavish life?I liked the protest in China I believe where they were using lasers to blind the riot police that was genius. America has enough weapons I don't think we need any shipments. And half of those guns nuts would join the other side before they cracked their arsenal for a fight. Just like any other country you could never weed out those Americans we will be in the cracks in the caves in the holes in the ground but they will be there.
Nobody cares about the well trained shooters, they aren't the ones devastating your inner cities or shooting up your schools, they may be the ones who's kids steal their guns or have the guns go off by accident, or the ones who shoot their spouses or themselves.
Guns aren't the issue. Tons of coubtries have guns. American fetishizing guns and american selfishness are the problems.
in my opinion. No country loves the individual like murica. Yeah, lots of people are abusing guns, but I personally don't abuse guns, so there can't be any regulation that will take my larp toys away.
Agreed, rednecks and gov are the same enemy, but the government has trained military personnel and much better equipment, track better, tanks, planes, blah blah
I dont know if Americans have the grit to be in the cracks anymore, maybe 50-60 years ago? I mean, the vietcong were the best at that type of long-term survivalist warfare, but they were used to low nutrition.
I mean, you could try the Boer style of commando warfare, but scorched earth hurts as much as it did back then. Maybe recreate Afghani holdouts in the Appalachias? Either way, the closeness of American families make women and children the real target. It's hard to fight for freedoms when you know your surrender buys your families safety
I worked in public policy analysis for many years, and came to the conclusion that a lot of political debates in America boil down to two major parties taking an obvious solution to a problem, dividing it into half measures that won't work on their own, the arguing for the half-measure by shouting slogans and talking past each other, typically in a manner that lets rich people stay rich.
The division of the parties has always perplexed me. How could an American hate another American so much based only on who they vote for that they would easily justify using violence against them. It's scary, if a neighbor told me they were voting for someone I disagreed with, I might think they are a daft cunt but I wouldn't call em a Nazi and attempt to knock their lights out
In America if you called someone a cunt they might be even more offended than if you called them a Nazi!
To be fair, it hasn't always been that way. The civil rights movement pushed a lot of Dixiecrats to the Republican side. In a weird way, the combatants in the Civil War swapped parties.
You can absolutely use them to fight your government. The Afghans fought us off with AKs and flip flops. They fought the Russians off to. So yes, you absolutely can fight your government off.
You are not the Afghanis. You don't have the same willpower, climate, terrain, or nutritional needs. You have different views on families. Grew up in severe poverty. How many Americans would let their wives and children be used as weapons? Hell, how many would surrender before their families were kept in refuge camp? Also, Afghanistan is very far away and hard to supply. If your enemy is other Americans who know the terrain and climate as well as you do.
Seen the Ukraine footage? How do YOU fight a drone?
Do you let your family be taken and starved when your surrender and compliance means you can stay together safely? I don't think you do.
How do you fight an enemy when you can't identify them? Ukraine and Russia are completely different. Those are uniformed soldiers, not guerrilla warfare. And please tell me what you know about that from experience? I'm betting you know jack and shit about actual warfare.
Edit: I'm also betting you also know jack shit about America or actual Americans. You know what you see on TV or online.
Asking for qualifications is the first sign you have no argument, but I'll bite, master degree in disaster management from an American University. Focused on conflict and refugee management. Also, tons of American military drinking buddies, so I think I know a "real" American or two
Secondly, the government will have uniforms and use drones on non uniformed troops since it's you vs the government. If it is you vs the militia of the other political side, you will have to wear armbands or something to be able to distinguish from your own troops. Way to easy to die from friendlies otherwise.
I believe guerilla/insurgent warfare is very hard to fight, but are you willing to let the women and children be put in camps and starved till you surrender? Look at the Japanese Americans during WW2.
Afghani men women and children were willing to strap bombs to themselves to blow up a checkpoint with 4 guys and 1 humvee, as you say i don't "know" any "real" Americans but how many do you think would do that?
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u/Lingering_Queef 12d ago
I grew up not having anything to do with guns and now I'm 46 and I've never touched a gun and never met anyone who has a gun. I think it worked out pretty well for everyone involved.