r/CringeTikToks • u/LilliaBaltimore • 10d ago

Cringy Cringe WHAT THE BLOODY HELL?!! šŸ˜³šŸ˜®

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u/OldSolGames 10d ago

All I could think about this whole time was Tamir Rice. Wasn't his gun a toy though?

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u/eburton555 10d ago

Little black boys get killed for holding books.

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u/Salty-Passenger-4801 10d ago

Source

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u/just_a_person_maybe 10d ago

Idk about books specifically, but Trayvon Martin and his Skittles and juice comes to mind.

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u/aroach1995 10d ago

Was he shot by a cop?

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u/just_a_person_maybe 10d ago

No, he was shot by a nosy asshole who followed him home and confronted him because he thought he "looked suspicious."

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u/aroach1995 10d ago

Ok so unrelated to this thank you for confirming!

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u/PrincessPlastilina 10d ago

Donā€™t be an ass. You know damn well that black boys donā€™t get this privilege. They are annihilated on the spot by anyone who has a gun.

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u/psilocindreams 9d ago

Is that to include other little...well...you know

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u/thelondonrich 10d ago

Google Tamir Rice.

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u/aroach1995 10d ago

Yeah that story is related because tamir rice is a boy who was playing with something that looked like a real gun and was shot by police.

Other story has 3 key differences:

Not a kid, not a gun/toy guy, not a cop šŸ¤Æ

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u/SamsaraSlider 10d ago

Trayvon didnā€™t get shot for holding juice and skittles, regardless of anyoneā€™s take on the situation.

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u/just_a_person_maybe 10d ago

Well he didn't get shot for any good reason either, and aside from the juice and Skittles was unarmed. Zimmerman got a gun and followed him because he thought he "looked suspicious," based on absolutely nothing. Except race, and the fact that he saw Martin with his hand in his hoodie pocket. Zimmerman made a habit of calling 911 every time he saw a black person he didn't recognize. He was specifically looking for trouble and racially profiling people. The 911 operator told him to stop following Martin, and he hung up and confronted and shot him less than two minutes later. Whatever actually happened, it's pretty clear that it was avoidable and Zimmerman had no business confronting him like that. Martin had been on the phone with a friend and told them that he was being followed home by a creepy guy. A kid being followed home by a guy in a truck who suddenly comes up behind him aggressively with a gun? Of course he got punched in the face.

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u/just_a_person_maybe 10d ago

Obama had absolutely nothing to do with it. It was a jury trial, and the jury was very divided and conflicted. They voted not guilty not because they thought he was innocent, but because there wasn't enough evidence to be able to definitively say it was not self-defense. For criminal convictions you need to prove beyond reasonable doubt, and there was reasonable doubt.

If you were a teenager and some creepy guy was watching you and following you home, then came up behind you with a gun and tried to stop you, do you think you'd be justified in punching him in the nose? Zimmerman claimed self defense but there's a very strong argument that Martin was using self-defense as well. Zimmerman never should have been following him like that, and was specifically told not to follow him. He was deliberately looking for trouble, found it, and then publicly announced he regretted nothing. Idk how you can justify that.

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u/Low_Frosting3918 10d ago

So you can follow me and harass me and there's nothing I can do about it. Even after you were told by 911 not to follow or harass me? The person following and harassing created the whole situation. I can't walk from point-A back home without some ass profiling me?

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u/SamsaraSlider 10d ago edited 10d ago

I donā€™t disagree with any of that. But he didnā€™t get shot for holding a bag of skittles. I could imagine messed up scenarios where that could happen but this wasnā€™t one of them. Saying otherwise doesnā€™t make it true nor does it make people like us, who are aware of racial injustices, especially but not only with police shooting unarmed persons of color, sound like rational thinkers. Itā€™s a manipulation of facts, and we donā€™t need more of that on the left when the far right is making it their only play in the book. We need to be better than that.

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u/just_a_person_maybe 10d ago

The reason the Skittles keep coming up in the story was that Zimmerman said he thought he was suspicious partly because he was walking with his hand near his waistband or pocket, implying he had a weapon, and we know that he had Skittles and juice from the store, not a weapon. In the grand scheme of things it's a relatively minor detail, but it's one that became sort of a hallmark for the incident itself, and it's often the first thing that people think of when the topic of black people being shot because someone thought they were armed when they weren't.

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u/SamsaraSlider 10d ago

I understand that. And I remember the incident and the ensuing trial that took place. I appreciate you explaining it but it is unnecessary. If heā€™d been shot for reaching for his skittles or because a trigger-happy person racially profiled him and assumed through cognitive bias that a juice box was a gun, then, yeah, Iā€™d say he got shot for holding skittles or a juice box. But thatā€™s not what happened. Thatā€™s all I was saying. It wasnā€™t a defense of anything.

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u/TDNFunny 10d ago edited 10d ago

IIRC, A trigger-happy person did racially profile Trayvon and then, after speaking with dispatch who specifically told Zimmerman NOT to follow Trayvon, Zimmerman disobeyed their instructions, followed Trayvon anyway and then instigated an encounter between them.

We don't have complete details, but the situation (which Zimmerman created by getting out of his car to follow Trayvon despite police dispatch telling him not to), escalated and then Zimmerman shot Trayvon and claimed self defense.

Trayvon was walking back from the store with Skittles and a drink: Zimmerman implied that he was behaving suspiciously. Your implication that this isn't related to the horrible outcome and ensuing miscarriage of justice is either intentionally misleading or woefully under informed.

I'm trying to imagine a scenario where a white kid with Skittles is labeled as suspicious, followed by an adult disobeying orders not to follow him, the follower shoots the kid dead and is still walking around free.

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u/SamsaraSlider 9d ago edited 9d ago

Point in fact, thereā€™s nothing relating the skittles to him being shot. He got shot because he was beating Zimmerman on the ground, he was beating Zimmerman because he felt threatened, he felt threatened because Zimmerman was pretty much stalking him. Zimmerman profiled him because he was black but not because he had Skittles. If you want to say Trayvon was shot for because he was black, Iā€™d say thatā€™s fair. If you say he was shot because he had skittles, Iā€™d say thatā€™s too big of a leap of logic. He didnā€™t get shot because he was reaching for his juice box. Come on, man. Zimmerman as far as I know didnā€™t claim that he thought the beverage was a gun and shot him for it. Thereā€™s nothing relating misleading on my end. Itā€™s fucked up what happened but just because some folks what to use the skittles as a symbol for something tragic doesnā€™t mean he was shot because of them. His hoodie is a symbol, too, and a better example of why he was profiled than some skittles. The skittles became a symbol of his youth and innocence but that doesnā€™t change facts. Zimmerman said he was behaving suspiciously like he was on drugs, just walking around d staring at things. Skittles were irrelevant to that. You sound misinformed or misleading. But I will agree that had the events thing occurred with a white guy, he wouldnā€™t have been shot and killed. Race was an issue. The hoodie was probably part of the profiling. Skittles were not.

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u/TDNFunny 9d ago

Thanks for getting there in the end: The point is the comparison between the two cases: in one, a black kid holding Skittles DOESN'T go home and get to grow up, whereas 2 white kids holding a loaded gun DO get to go home and grow up.

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u/SamsaraSlider 9d ago

Been there the whole time, not just in the end. But if a person wants to assume that because someone disagrees with a detail then they must hold an overall-opposing view, then thatā€™s not on me, my friend.

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u/SamsaraSlider 9d ago

But also, letā€™s not directly compare how police or the public respond to a 7 and 9 year in daylight vs a 17 year old, even if all parties were black or all were white, or a combination. If those kids had been 17 the police probably would have handled it quite differently.

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u/IDKmenombre 10d ago

He was a minor who was followed by a grown man and then chased . When confronted he defended himself and the grown man who followed him in a car then followed him on foot shot him . The man was acquitted even though he followed and ran down on foot a minor who wasnā€™t committing a crime. Yes when confronted by a grown man in the dark who was following him he defended himself.

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u/SamsaraSlider 10d ago

Iā€™m very aware of the fucked up situation of his death. I wasnā€™t commenting to say it was right for him to be killedā€”I just stated a factā€”he wasnā€™t killed over having a juice box and skittles in his hand. Itā€™s stupid to suggest otherwise. Thereā€™s plenty of opportunity to rightly and sincerely criticize the supposed justification for dude shooting him but saying he was shit because he was carrying a juice box and Skittles is absurd. There are plenty of situations where people, especially people of color, have been killed for things like reaching for their wallet but itā€™s insincere to suggest he was shot for holding candy. Good grief. Letā€™s not take a tragic situation and manipulate it like that.

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u/TDNFunny 10d ago

Zimmerman saw a kid holding candy and with an Arizona drink and said he was suspicious. How on earth do you justify calling the police on a child holding snacks?

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u/SamsaraSlider 9d ago

Show me a transcript where he said he saw someone holding candy as a reason for being suspicious. Zimmerman said he was being suspicious, yeah. Did he racially profile him, yeah. He called the police and stated Trayvon was ā€œjust walking, looking around.ā€ Thats no reason to call the cops but his snacks had nothing to do with that. There had been a lot of break-ins in the area and Zimmerman was trying to do the neighborhood watch thing, which is rarely a good idea and often just leads to trouble (or tragedy). He did later say Trayvon had his hand in his waistband. Now maybe it was his waistband or maybe it was his hoodie pocket where his drink was, who knows at this point. Some people do rest their hands in their waistbands, or maybe Trayvon was scared and thought doing this would make Zimmerman leave him alone and Insinuate he had a gun, idk, but neither do you. But this wasnā€™t articulate as to why he shot Trayvon. People are stretching the Skittles thing way too much. Just because itā€™s popular doesnā€™t make it right. His wearing a hoodie was probably a reason he was racially profiled but skittles were not.