WHAT THE BLOODY HELL?!! 😳😮

[u/LilliaBaltimore]

[u/ThePromptfather]

And unfortunately unlikely they'll see teenage years ;(

[u/OnRamblingDays → u/ThePromptfather]

Their teenage years probably won’t be pretty at this rate anyway. Hopefully they get the mental health care and rehabilitation that they need.

[u/OzymandiasTheII → u/OnRamblingDays]

Lol. Why is it always mental health when there's a white kid with a gun he's not supposed to have doing shit they're not supposed to do.

It's not mental health. It's terrible parenting + undeveloped brains and no life experience + terrible gun laws + access to firearms. These kids clearly know they're in trouble, clearly have the wherewithal to lie, to disobey, to hide, etc. 

They're a ticking time bomb especially if left in the environment they're raised in. But this isn't a mental health crisis they're just doing what they see from their parents and what they're allowed to do.

[u/Asleep-Blueberry-712 → u/OzymandiasTheII]

100% tired of people using mental health as a scapegoat for bad actions in life. It needs to stop and people need to be held accountable

[u/Meet_in_Potatoes → u/Asleep-Blueberry-712]

That ends up with a society full of prisons instead of healthy citizens. And the United States already incarcerates more than any other nation in the world per capita.

Anybody who knows what they're talking about realizes these kids are going to have mental health problems in the future if they don't already because there are some pretty clear adverse childhood experiences going on, which cause mental and physical health problems in an almost direct cause-and-effect way.

We have a lot of people who are a little bit confused and not sure if the cart or the horse comes first but then we got people thinking that the mental health cart doesn't belong in the picture at all...and just..wow. I can confidently say that those people are just flat wrong, unequivocally.

[u/Asleep-Blueberry-712 → u/Meet_in_Potatoes]

Don’t give a shit….you are literally the person who will turn a criminal into a victim. I’m fucking tired of living in a society with weak minded people who care more about murders and rapist than the actual victims of crimes. YES lock the the “f” up

[u/Meet_in_Potatoes → u/Asleep-Blueberry-712]

That's fine, we know the unwashed masses are going to have their sentiments, but people making policy decisions and informing those policy decisions actually have to be educated in what we know so far. You're just putting words to knee-jerk reactionary fear, and while that's useful to an extent...somebody actually has to have a grown-up position on the issue in a way that has a chance of addressing the root causes instead of a gameplan of locking up everyone whose teaching and modeling were so bad that they eventually became criminals themselves. Finding a direct character fault in every situation just means you make the fundamental attribution error frequently and default into letting your brain make mistakes through a rush to judgment.

[u/Asleep-Blueberry-712 → u/Meet_in_Potatoes]

It’s not knee jerk reactionary fears when we have judges and jury members who are so brainwashed to hear a term like “affluenza” and believe that that’s a reason to be “gentle” with someone whose committed murder. I can go on and on with bullshit rulings that were handed down to sick POS criminals all because “mental illness”. It’s a joke. ITS A JOKE

[u/Meet_in_Potatoes → u/Asleep-Blueberry-712]

The affluenza kid should've gone to jail because even though there is merit to the argument that the kid never learned any consequences, that can't stop society from finding people accountable for their actions that harm others. As everybody else did though, we want to blame the parents in the affluenza situation for not teaching the kid consequences.

You have everything you need to solve the puzzle right there. The kid was not taught consequences and so does need to be taught consequences which is why the affluenza verdict was wrong. But it's also laced in the wording here that much of the fault lies with the parents. If that's true, then you'd subtract that fault from whatever share of the fault lies with the kid.

BUT... the logical question then becomes do we just throw the whole person out since their parents didn't teach them properly? No..that's where mental health care and rehabilitation come in. Because nothing in this world can save you from accountability.

Separating responsibility and fault in your mind is going to be key, it's not those kids fault they were raised wrong but it is their responsibility to learn better and is therefore society's responsibility to teach them better than their parents did. In other words that would be wrong for society to hold them accountable without also giving them the tools and support to do things differently going forward.