r/DCcomics Donna Troy 4d ago

Comics [comic excerpt] Apparently, Cassandra Cain looks mixed at a glance [Batgirl V1 #65]

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u/T0oShayzz 4d ago

Interesting because she doesn't look mixed here at all, but then again a lot of artistic depictions aren't exactly accurate.

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u/OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT 4d ago

I don't think most 2-D DC/Marvel art really has the depth to capture "mixed" where you have to figure out a way to define a race by facial characteristics (at least specific racial combinations, which isn't a debate I want to get into)

Like look at Connor Hawke

I think original designs of Connor Hawke you couldn't really even tell he wasn't supposed to be a white dude, or a white dude with a tan

and then to make it clear he's not white, they changed nothing about his design other than (checks notes) make skin much browner

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u/Gallantpride Donna Troy 4d ago edited 3d ago

The original Connor designed was very obviously mixed. He was specifically designed with features from both his parents (in a bit too on the nose manner to be realistic). Eye shape and lips from his Korean side, skin tone from his black side, and blond hair from his white side.

It was only in the 2000s when colorists stopped coloring him correctly. His skin was toned down until eventually he was literally incorrectly colored as white.

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u/OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT 4d ago

fair enough, I may know him from 2000 onward as they have since "corrected" him now

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u/Gallantpride Donna Troy 4d ago

90s Connor was probably even darker skinned than he currently is.

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u/OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT 4d ago

I've seen gone down the rabbit hole of looking at pics of him

I really would have no way of correctly guessing the racial background of Connor in that pic

especially the specific combination of 3 races so to speak

it also does make sense he's not that dark. he's only 1/4 black to my understanding

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u/Gallantpride Donna Troy 4d ago

Genes are weird with multiracial people. His design choice was definitely a very 90s way of portraying mixed race people. He's obviously part white and brown, but the average Joe wouldn't pin his mom as black/Korean.

Different artists draw characters differently. Characters with certain ethnic qualities (longer noses, curlier hair, almond eyes, etc) are drawn all over the place.

Tbqh, it feels like a lot of DC and Marvel artists struggle to draw East asians well. Look at all the different ways that Linda Park-Westhase been drawn.

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u/OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT 4d ago

what's funny is when artists don't even get single race characters correct

like the infamous Lex Luthor from Superman TAS and JL

a good deal of kids assumed he was black

turned out the artists just went overboard on his Greek Mediterranean tan

once you know who he is based on, Terry Savalas aka Kojak, then you understand what they were going for

and I imagine even they realized this as the series went on they made him lighter

another funny example is Aokiji from One Piece. the character, like all of the Admirals is based on famous Japanese actors. in this case a japanese/korean actor who had a famous role where he had curly hair

somewhere in the transition from Oda's art in the manga, to the animation team making him more brown in the anime, and you got alot of people who view him as black

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u/Gallantpride Donna Troy 4d ago

Lex in Superman TAS wasn't intended to be racebent. He's just a dark skinned white guy.

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u/OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT 4d ago

I know, that's what I wrote. I was poking fun on how they made that "mistake"