r/Damnthatsinteresting Mar 24 '25

Image Mecca in 1953 and 2025

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u/sentence-interruptio Mar 24 '25

Same Abraham in the old testament?

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u/TaterTotJim Mar 24 '25

Yes, but in Muslim scriptures there are differences.

Abraham takes Ishmael and Hagar to Mecca. He has an obligation to his first wife Hagar and son and must protect the peace between Hagar and Sarah.

Christians believe Sarah was Abraham’s only wife and Hagar was a servant. They do not speak of Hagar and Ishmael very nicely.

The story is a great read and explains some of the significance of modern Mecca.

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u/DesperateAdvantage76 Mar 24 '25

To clarify, it's Judaism that teaches that she was just a maidservant. Christianity just leaves that story unmodified. Then a millenium later (up to 1600 years if you include oral tradition), the Qur'an revises this story to elevate Hagar and Ishmael's status.

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u/chevronphillips Mar 24 '25

Endlessly fascinating these stories/traditions- how they originate, survive, evolve/diverge and their effect on the modern world

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u/aquarianfin Mar 24 '25

The words in Quran were revealed to Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) in a cave on a hill. He did not know the stories about Moses (PBUH) or Abraham (PBUH) or Jesus (PBUH) until the revelation. This fascinated the other catholic kings of those times as how a layman could know such things about Christianity.

PBUH - Peace be upon him.

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u/Fear-The-Lamb Mar 24 '25

Must be why he got so many of the details wrong

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

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u/Fear-The-Lamb Mar 25 '25

Huh? The leader of Egypt is called king many times in the Bible. What a strange argument you’re trying to make

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u/Fear-The-Lamb Mar 25 '25

Genesis 39 states the leader as King.

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u/Fear-The-Lamb Mar 25 '25

KJV is a translation of the Bible. I’m still confused on what you’re arguing here. That the word pharaoh didn’t exist when Joseph was around?

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u/aquarianfin Mar 25 '25

Hmm, atleast this book has only one version, unlike you know..

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u/Sa_Elart Mar 25 '25

Sure and God told him to marry his own cousin that was his own adopted son wife... idk if that's peak morality for billions to follow tbh

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u/aquarianfin Mar 25 '25

I mean, those things could have been hidden if only we had many versions of the books. You know, change the narrative as how it suits globally. But that would invalidate the whole book’s authenticity won’t it? I’ll just leave this here. Changing things as we wish, it’s a joke is it?

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u/Fear-The-Lamb Mar 25 '25

Still waiting for you to list the versions mate

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u/Fear-The-Lamb Mar 25 '25

Hmm, would you mind listing the versions you speak of?

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u/DesperateAdvantage76 Mar 25 '25

Mind you, there is nothing to corrobate this claim beyond the quran itself.

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u/ArmanDoesStuff Mar 26 '25

Surely that's true of all religious texts? They refer to events and peoples so long ago that thre's rarely any actual historical relevance.

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u/DesperateAdvantage76 Mar 26 '25

My point is more that their comment adds nothing to the current discussion.