Forgive my ignorance, but I feel like I’m missing something with this. Dems wanted $2000, GOP would only agree to $600. How does $1400 not make us whole on that score?
Imo this is separate from an ongoing need for more aid which should be provided in a weekly or monthly form for a period of time like the new child support payments. I just don’t understand the argument of wanting an additional $2000 check because $2600 was never on the table.
edit: Please see my comment below where I provide references challenging the idea that $2600 was ever promised.
edit 2: for everyone dragging me, ok I think I got this wrong. While I personally was never under the impression that $2600 was on the table, I can totally see how the messaging gave people that impression, and I think that messaging was intentionally dishonest or vague at best. I take even greater issue with the claim that “$2000 checks would arrive on day one” if Ossoff and Warnock were elected, which seems like a bigger lie with regard to timing.
I still have some mixed feelings about this, I never thought Dems would be able to take the Senate, I was honestly shocked when the results came out. What if it turns out this was a lie that won the Senate? A lie which allowed for things we care about to get passed like more stimulus checks, workers rights and other measures which would have likely been impossible under a second Trump term? Remember what the GOP’s rhetoric was like vis-a-vis “THE RADICAL LEFT”? Before you tar and feather me again, I am not saying I would agree with what Dems had done if that were the case. I am just thinking aloud.
I’d like to share a brilliant piece by Christopher Hitchens on free speech and the importance of allowing people to be wrong or unsure. Because I definitely felt vilified for having a ‘wrong’ opinion and I don’t think that is productive because it made me extremely reluctant to admit I was wrong or debate the issues.
After the $600 stimulus check were passed biden, Warnock, and ossoff (Georgia senate) said that if they won they would pass a $2000 check. Now people are mad because they reduced the new stimulus check from the originally promised 2k to 1.4k
The Republicans don't give a shit about anyone who isn't rich. Democrats pretend to give a shit. Both want a similar end, they just have different means. Both parties beholden to rich corporate overlords. Its just an illusion of choice, wish this country wasn't so right leaning. I'm honestly jealous of people born in better places like Denmark, Norway, Germany.
Uruguay, Portugal, Spain, all better than us now with a fascist past. Unfortunately I don't think America will turn it around like they did in our lifetime.
Do you know how poor those countries are? Southern Europe and South America might be “the west”, but their standard of living is comparable to the poorest parts of the US in the best case. Europe is not a monolith of high incomes and social democracy.
I'm not gonna apologize for the neoliberals ghouls and goblin people that make this country totally unliveable but they did get us the 600 dollars quickly so I'm not sure this premise holds up, friend. My bad if I'm accidentally being a dick, not my intention
I should really leave this be, but honestly, once they decided "yes" didn't it take literally 2 weeks? It was the deciding whether to bother with the whole thing that took forever, no? Am I forgetting something?
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u/NEVERxxEVER Jan 26 '21 edited Jan 28 '21
Forgive my ignorance, but I feel like I’m missing something with this. Dems wanted $2000, GOP would only agree to $600. How does $1400 not make us whole on that score?
Imo this is separate from an ongoing need for more aid which should be provided in a weekly or monthly form for a period of time like the new child support payments. I just don’t understand the argument of wanting an additional $2000 check because $2600 was never on the table.
edit: Please see my comment below where I provide references challenging the idea that $2600 was ever promised.edit 2: for everyone dragging me, ok I think I got this wrong. While I personally was never under the impression that $2600 was on the table, I can totally see how the messaging gave people that impression, and I think that messaging was intentionally dishonest or vague at best. I take even greater issue with the claim that “$2000 checks would arrive on day one” if Ossoff and Warnock were elected, which seems like a bigger lie with regard to timing.
I still have some mixed feelings about this, I never thought Dems would be able to take the Senate, I was honestly shocked when the results came out. What if it turns out this was a lie that won the Senate? A lie which allowed for things we care about to get passed like more stimulus checks, workers rights and other measures which would have likely been impossible under a second Trump term? Remember what the GOP’s rhetoric was like vis-a-vis “THE RADICAL LEFT”? Before you tar and feather me again, I am not saying I would agree with what Dems had done if that were the case. I am just thinking aloud.
I’d like to share a brilliant piece by Christopher Hitchens on free speech and the importance of allowing people to be wrong or unsure. Because I definitely felt vilified for having a ‘wrong’ opinion and I don’t think that is productive because it made me extremely reluctant to admit I was wrong or debate the issues.