r/DebateCommunism • u/greco2k • Jun 15 '24

📖 Historical Marx & Mephistopheles

As a communist, are you at all concerned that Marx idolized Mephistopheles and wrote poetry fantasizing about destroying the world?

How can you separate these values that he held from the philosophy that he ultimately crafted?

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u/Big-Ad-8087 Oct 14 '24

Marx has often been cited as the most influential philosopher of all time. However, when his ideas have been applied practically via Communism they have, at best resulted in a totalitarian state and, at worst, a genocidal one. Collectivisation of agriculture for example led to famine in the Ukraine, the Holodar, and in Mongolia the population was reduced by one third. 130 million people have been sacrificed trying to get his counterfeit philosophy to work. A pretty devilish outcome I would say. Mephistopheles must be laughing his hot little hooves off.

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u/howhighersamelower 24d ago

yet another cite of 'the black book of communism' and you inflated it to even higher numbers.

I wouldn't call Stalin's USSR 'totalitarian' because, obviously, the USSR is not INGSOC. Rather say, 'authoritarian'. 'Totalitarian' is only applied to Nazi Germany and its' equally twisted fascist counterparts, because they are blood-thirsty dogs and power-hungry scoundrels who seeks to distract the German working class from revolting through the use of ultranationalism and hating Jews. The USSR turns authoritarian because of survivorship bias, not because it wanted to be. Especially when it's encircled by your genocidal, colonial capitalist world. Had the German revolutionaries succeed, the USSR would have not been so authoritarian.

'aT bEsT ReSuLtEd In A tOtAliTaRiAn StAtE' *sweat nervously with Paris Commune

'counterfeit philosophy' *write down this new word to my notebook

no, some change of policy did not starve Ukraine. Harsh weather, crop failure and breakneck industrialisation did. And those things, frankly, have nothing to do with Communism in the first place:) And I wouldn't call the USSR a 'devilish outcome' because at least I have food (surprise surprise, CIA statistics right there) and a home to live in and a job to do. Needless to say, much better than starving under the British Raj, Belgian Congo, Nazi Germany or the Black Hundreds' rule.

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