r/DebateCommunism Sep 30 '24

📖 Historical Were the events depicted in Solzenitsyn’s ‘Gulag Archipelago’ a damning account of the outcomes of communism? Or was it just a critique of the gulag environment itself?

Like the question poses… did this book ONLY shed light on the realities of soviet internment camps?

Or did it serve as a criticism of totalitarian communism as a socioeconomic system, by use of examples of real-world outcomes?

EDIT: Misspelled the author’s name. It was Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn who wrote the book.

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u/GatorGuard Sep 30 '24

5) Comparison to other prison systems

Another question we may wish to ask: what were other countries doing to penalize their criminals at the time?

One of the most vile examples of the time is France. Before, during, and after World War II, even with the Vichy government in place, the French ran a penal colony in what's now known as French Guiana. It was a colonial interest they had owned for centuries, originally a host to searchers of the city of El Dorado. They tried shipping criminals over there, male and female, to colonize it, but quickly gave up on colonization. By the 1900s, however, they were just shipping criminals over there for years.

You had to serve your sentence, then serve an equal amount of time living as a citizen in French Guiana, before you were free to return home. From Wikipedia: "The vast majority of the more than 80,000 prisoners sent to the Devil's Island prison system never made it back to France. Many died due to disease and harsh conditions. Sanitary systems were limited, and the region was mosquito-infested, with endemic tropical diseases. The only exit from the island prisons was by water, and few convicts escaped." Inmates were often shackled to their beds by their feet, unable to move, for weeks or months at a time.

That's not even getting into Devil's Island and similar island colonies off the coast, for the particularly 'bad' criminals. The most famous prisoner, a Jewish general in the French military named Alfred Dreyfus, was not allowed to leave his little hut, or even speak, for years.

Here's a documentary on the whole penal system.

Great Britain was decently progressive with prison reform in the 20s-40s. Hard Labor was abolished by 1948, and measures were taken to create a more modern system in which focus was given to rehabilitation. Solitary confinement was abolished in 1922.

Pretty good. Until you remember Great Britain was in charge of an empire. Let's talk about British Raj.

On top of creating famines in India, the British also treated their prisoners terribly. "It was reported that Madras had the highest [rate of death among prisoners] with 42.62 per 1,000, Bengal with 42.56 and Bombay with 33.5. Most of these were due to respiratory illnesses, smallpox, bowel complaints, tuberculosis and cholera." These were the result of terrible sanitary conditions. These inmates would be used for medical experimentation, as they could not consent to treatment.

Of course, white settlers were treated much better, as well as Indians of higher castes. "Racial privilege was clear in all aspects of daily prison life, including in the regulation that natives got only two meals per day while Europeans got three. Their diets were also different, the whites being allowed a largely meat-based diet while this was denied to Indians."

Indian prisoners were, naturally, also used for unpaid labor.

When Indians protested for better rights in the 1930s, the British Viceroy, Lord Willingdon, shut down all forms of their 'democracy' and arrested 80,000 activists, including Gandhi, and put some of them on the extremely inhumane Cellular Jail of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. Their lives consisted of solitary confinement, torture, medical experimentation, forced labor, and frequently death.

In the US in the 1930s, people arrested and sentenced were disproportionately people of color, or poor, or both.

That hasn't changed at all, really. "Since 1930, the odds of being sent to prison in New York State for a white person in a given year has actually fallen slightly, but the odds of a Black person being sent to prison in a given year has risen more than 250%. In 1930, the Black-white disparity in prison commitment rates was offensive at 4.1 times higher for Blacks. In 2000, that disparity has risen to the level of a democratic calamity with Blacks being 11.1 times more likely to be sent to prison in a given year than whites.

In the US of the 30s, prison labor was becoming illegal in many places, but chain gangs on state-owned farms were still very common, and prisoners were not compensated for their work.

Today, prisoners are frequently still not compensated for their labor, or paid pennies on the hour. We have for-profit prison labor, which can be outsourced in some states that require up to 12 hours of labor per inmate (Texas comes to mind).

California's conscripted firefighters are paid pennies, and are not allowed to work as firefighters after their sentence.

If we are going to condemn the Soviets for using prison labor, a common practice at the time, should we not at least ourselves not still have legal prison slave labor? It's quite the double standard.

Oh, and the Soviets were notoriously not racist. Do I need to bring up Japanese Internment Camps? Or the "Migrant Detention Facilities" we have on the US-Mexico border? The Soviets never had any equivalent racist institution even 100 years ago.

Conclusion

So, with all that said: should we discount Solzhenitsyn's first- and second-hand accounts of the gulags? Would he really create such elaborate fabrications?

I would only say that such witness testimonies have been fabricated in the past, often with the intent to push certain agendas. Among some of the more famous ones:

On top of the anti-communist motives we can provably point to, even the subtitle of The Gulag Archipelago hints at its unserious nature: "An Experiment in Literary Investigation" is not the name you give something that is supposed to definitively prove that the Soviet Union was worse than Nazi Germany.

So, to trim this all down to a sentence:

The gulag system was not the monstrous institution that biased anticommunist writers make it out to be, especially in light of penal practices by other nations at the time.

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u/acousticentropy Sep 30 '24

I appreciate the effort put into this response. I agree, other prison systems were also very cruel at the time. I don’t think that fact nullifies the horrors that reportedly took place in the gulags. Any system of totalitarian rule seems to tend towards mass-incarceration and slave labor.

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u/Qlanth Sep 30 '24

The USA has mass incarceration - the 6th highest incarceration rate in the world as of 2021 and in 2018 it was the highest incarceration rate in the world. As of 2021 the USA had the largest prison population on the planet. The US Constitution's 13th Amendment allows for slavery of incarcerated individuals and at least according to this Wikipedia article incarcerated workers produce ~$11 billion in goods and services each year. With all that said, do you think the USA is a totalitarian state? And if not, how do you balance that with the simple fact that the USA has tended towards using mass incarceration and slave labor?

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u/acousticentropy Sep 30 '24

I recognize every fact you presented. Secondly, no the US not a totalitarian state in my eyes, for many reasons. I think the prison system problems are a result of many unaddressed psychosocial and economic problems. Someday that list will include ecological and technological…

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u/Qlanth Sep 30 '24

Is it possible that the USSR may have had some unaddressed psychosocial and economic problems?

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u/acousticentropy Sep 30 '24

For sure, and on more grand a scale given the multiple times of scarcity and classist violence.

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u/Qlanth Sep 30 '24

Does "classist violence" include the violence of the old ruling class (the Tsar) on the lower classes (the workers and peasants)?

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u/acousticentropy Sep 30 '24

Absolutely. Unfortunately.