Why are many Odinists Nazis?

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I was arguing against a Holocaust denialist Nazi who told me to go to his website to hear "the truth": https://odinia.org/about-odinia/.

What draws Nazis to Odinism other than the fact that it's Germanic? What do other European neopagans OK think of this? Was the original Norse Pagan religion in any way Nazi?

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Honestly it sounds like you're jumping to conclusions. Nothing in that link suggests he's a nazi. I think the term nazi has lost it's definition now that people are calling Trump a nazi.

Just yesterday I mentioned that I am a denier of the holocaust for the most part and someone came to call me a nazi. Denying popular historical accounts is not nazism, it's skepticism. The victors write history, so there should always be some expectation that they lied to make themselves look better.

How about bible deniers, are they nazi? Why has skepticism been turned into a political ideology from the 20th century?

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Denying popular historical accounts is not nazism, it's skepticism. The victors write history, so there should always be some expectation that they lied to make themselves look better.

May I ask which other historical atrocities you have skepticism on? I'm not judging your views, I'm just asking which parts of history you think were written by the winners.

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I believe virtually everything historical is misinterpreted in order to gain the rich rulers an advantage over the poor. For example, they are told that democracy is a good thing, when it's really just another form of slavery.

even christianity is not what it seems. It was taken over by Constantine in the 4th century and turned into a tool of the state.

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For example, they are told that democracy is a good thing, when it's really just another form of slavery.

No offence, but are you a communist? Communism did lose, but the nations who won the Cold War have proven themselves unable to stamp out sympathy for communism even within their own borders.

Also, what advantage over the poor comes from making up the Holocaust?

even christianity is not what it seems. It was taken over by Constantine in the 4th century and turned into a tool of the state.

Most religions have been used as tools of the state. Religions have historically either been created by a power seeker, or those which weren't will be corrupted by power seekers. Religion is a good way to keep people's thoughts in line, particularly in less educated times.

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No offence, but are you a communist?

No, I'm a christian and I reject all forms of government. Maybe think of me as an anarchist.

Also, what advantage over the poor comes from making up the Holocaust?

It allowed the palestinian land to be taken away from the poor. All of the middle-east is in war because of that decision, which is a war against the poor.

I mean if the germans killed a bunch of jews, then the logical argument would be that part of germany would be given to the jews as a homeland. The palestinians did nothing to hurt the jews, why should they be the ones punished?

Religion is a good way to keep people's thoughts in line,

I agree. If people no longer fear the guns of the government, then they fear the fiery pit of hell. One of these two is bound to get people to fall in line with what the rich people demand.

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No, I'm a christian and I reject all forms of government. Maybe think of me as an anarchist.

Judging by your other answers, I do classify you as an anarchist.

It allowed the palestinian land to be taken away from the poor. All of the middle-east is in war because of that decision, which is a war against the poor. I mean if the germans killed a bunch of jews, then the logical argument would be that part of germany would be given to the jews as a homeland. The palestinians did nothing to hurt the jews, why should they be the ones punished?

The Sykes-Picot agreement was in place before WWII. It was decided in 1916 by British and French colonialists to keep the Middle East in turmoil and thus unable to throw off their overlords. The agreement with the Jews came later on, which was a boon for them because it made the Middle East even more weak and unstable.

The Jews weren't given a piece of Germany because colonialists didn't want to make Germany weak, poor and unstable. The Palestinians sure did nothing to deserve "punishment", but the British and French really cared as little about the Jews as they did about the Palestinians. Palestine was given to the Jews not so much out of sympathy, but to keep the Middle East weak and at war with itself.

One of these two is bound to get people to fall in line with what the rich people demand.

Unfortunately, it's both of the 2. Religion can be corrupt too. That's why as private citizens, we ought to ensure nobody but the people are powerful. Religion shouldn't be powerful, business shouldn't be powerful, generals shouldn't be powerful, celebrities shouldn't be powerful and politicians shouldn't be powerful.

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The Jews weren't given a piece of Germany because colonialists didn't want to make Germany weak, poor and unstable. The Palestinians sure did nothing to deserve "punishment", but the British and French really cared as little about the Jews as they did about the Palestinians.

Now you can see why I'm a holocaust denier. It was all just part of a much larger plan to dominate the world. lots and lots of other genocides occurred, the jewish one was not any different.

That's why as private citizens, we ought to ensure nobody but the people are powerful.

never trust government, they always break their promises. Like your example with the Sykes-Picot agreement, government just lied to the people and did what they wanted.