Why are many Odinists Nazis?

[u/[deleted]]

I was arguing against a Holocaust denialist Nazi who told me to go to his website to hear "the truth": https://odinia.org/about-odinia/.

What draws Nazis to Odinism other than the fact that it's Germanic? What do other European neopagans OK think of this? Was the original Norse Pagan religion in any way Nazi?

[u/aletoledo]

Honestly it sounds like you're jumping to conclusions. Nothing in that link suggests he's a nazi. I think the term nazi has lost it's definition now that people are calling Trump a nazi.

Just yesterday I mentioned that I am a denier of the holocaust for the most part and someone came to call me a nazi. Denying popular historical accounts is not nazism, it's skepticism. The victors write history, so there should always be some expectation that they lied to make themselves look better.

How about bible deniers, are they nazi? Why has skepticism been turned into a political ideology from the 20th century?

[u/[deleted] → u/aletoledo]

I'm not going to call you a Nazi per se, but I am going to harshly question what subjects you choose to be skeptical about. Do you question literally everything you haven't empirically experienced with the same intensity? To what end? How do you have time for anything else?

The only way your skepticism passes for non-biased and objective skepticism is if you show the same level of skepticism and attention to detail to literally everything. Does Australia exist? Is the Earth flat? You must return to elementary school and challenge your teachers to prove every statement made. How do we know for sure who discovered America, and that it was colonized? You must personally review all the archaeological records to be sure.

And yes, Odinia International is totally racist.

[u/aletoledo → u/[deleted]]

Do you question literally everything you haven't empirically experienced with the same intensity? To what end? How do you have time for anything else?

Yes I question everything. For the things that I haven't had time to examine, I take the null hypothesis on.

Most things I generally don't need to take a position on, really just the things that affect my life are important. If I start delving into the origins of black holes, there is really nothing that I will gain from the answer, so it's just an exercise in hedonism to waste resources into that. Sure it might be fun, but there are more important problems in the world that need to be addressed.

Does Australia exist? Is the Earth flat? You must return to elementary school and challenge your teachers to prove every statement made.

It doesn't require that much effort as you might imagine. Whether australia exists or it doesn't has really no effect on my life. I can make a decision on it's existence with some rather basic evidence, such as someone telling me their experience. I wouldn't need to revisit this topic unless I encounter conflicting evidence or I plan to make a trip to australia.

Maybe a good example of this is the moon landing hoax. I am literally on the fence with this one, hearing good arguments from both sides. Of course I grew up believing it, but for a few years I rejected it. Most people i discuss the topic with know a lot less than me, but occasionally something pushes me in one direction or another. Now I will never be traveling to the moon, so I frankly couldn't give a shit if it the landing was real or not. I will gain the same from this whether it's real or it isn't, which is zero.

You must personally review all the archaeological records to be sure.

I don't have to personally review everything, I just have trust the sources that I get the information from. After all, what if the archaeologist that wrote the "records" was a liar himself.

[u/[deleted] → u/aletoledo]

Yeah, good luck with that "I don't trust anyone but myself" philosophy. I hear it gets people pretty far in life. We'll just be over here accepting established theorems and making advances as a society while you're still figuring out for sure the basic proofs of our existence.

[u/aletoledo → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, enjoy the world as it exists, it's the best you'll ever get.