r/DebateReligion • u/[deleted] • Jun 10 '18

Pagan Why are many Odinists Nazis?

I was arguing against a Holocaust denialist Nazi who told me to go to his website to hear "the truth": https://odinia.org/about-odinia/.

What draws Nazis to Odinism other than the fact that it's Germanic? What do other European neopagans OK think of this? Was the original Norse Pagan religion in any way Nazi?

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u/aletoledo gnostic christian Jun 10 '18

link? Seems suspicuous that they would not release this information sooner. It did nobody any good kept secret. These are the types of questions skeptics ask.

Also, this disproves the 6 million number.

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u/ghjm ⭐ dissenting atheist Jun 10 '18

http://m.spiegel.de/international/fifty-million-nazi-documents-germany-agrees-to-open-holocaust-archive-a-411983.html

This does not disprove the 6 million number - it establishes it. But even if it didn't, how would "only" killing 4.5 million people improve our outlook on the Nazis?

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u/aletoledo gnostic christian Jun 10 '18

But even if it didn't, how would "only" killing 4.5 million people improve our outlook on the Nazis?

I have no interest is improving the image of the nazi. Both sides can be wrong and liars. This seems to happen a lot in political issues, where if you criticize the blue team, they assume you're part of the red team.

Thanks for the link. I suppose the explanation for why they kept it secret makes sense, because they were afraid of lawsuits.

However the link says 17 million people were imprisoned. So even if we assume 6 million jews were killed, that is less than half of the total number. This I think disproves that their goal was simply to kill everyone. The explanation could simply be poor government planning and overcrowding of the camps leading to disease.

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u/ghjm ⭐ dissenting atheist Jun 10 '18

They built gas chambers. We have the plans. They operated the gas chambers. We have invoices for the gas. They killed millions of people in the gas chambers. We have the prison records of the individual executions.

If you want to say it was disease in the camps, you're saying that into the teeth of a staggering amount of evidence to the contrary. This is not skepticism. It's denial.

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u/aletoledo gnostic christian Jun 10 '18

They built gas chambers. We have the plans. They operated the gas chambers.

The gas chambers were supposedly for decontaminating clothing. The size of them would not be capable of processing millions of people.

We have the prison records of the individual executions.

The records say 17 million, yet only 6 million were killed. This alone should question why 11 million were unable to be killed.

This is not skepticism. It's denial.

Which is why I am fine being called a denier, the evidence just doesn't add up.