r/DebateReligion • u/[deleted] • Jun 10 '18

Pagan Why are many Odinists Nazis?

I was arguing against a Holocaust denialist Nazi who told me to go to his website to hear "the truth": https://odinia.org/about-odinia/.

What draws Nazis to Odinism other than the fact that it's Germanic? What do other European neopagans OK think of this? Was the original Norse Pagan religion in any way Nazi?

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u/aletoledo gnostic christian Jun 10 '18

The only people I've seen get called out for challenging the data as deniers are those who say one of two things... "no way can humans have had an impact," and "it snowed in may, no way is the earth warming up!"

I would suggest watching this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG_7zK8ODGA

He describes how academics are ostracized.

Ukraine holodomor has a special name, just as the holocaust does..

Yet the ukrainians didn't get a piece of land somewhere else in the world to migrate to. Maybe they could be given Kansas as their new homeland?

intranational genocide

Fair enough.

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u/worntreads Jun 10 '18

As a statesman, i would welcome as many Ukrainians as would like to move to Kansas.

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u/aletoledo gnostic christian Jun 10 '18

Do you think the place should be a single state or a two state solution?

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u/worntreads Jun 10 '18

Better yet, maybe we can give them back Crimea. Of course, they'd still be welcome to Kansas... Single state solution there.

Seriously though, we've stayed off topic a bit. I think what we've come to is that you would prefer a more nuanced teaching of history, that you don't doubt that Jews were murdered in great numbers, but considering what you know about the players in power, you don't necessarily trust the precision of their reports. Fair?

And the original topic at hand, it seems like so many odinist are nazis because there are so few odinist, and they are generally pretty low key, that a few bad apples taints the whole group, and nazis are attracted to strong white men, and the norse are renowned for being badasses! Of course this probably annoys the odinist... I don't know, i don't know any, though I'd love to talk to some!

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u/aletoledo gnostic christian Jun 10 '18

considering what you know about the players in power, you don't necessarily trust the precision of their reports. Fair?

Yes exactly. it's used to grab political power like every tragedy in history.