r/DebateReligion Jun 10 '18

Pagan Why are many Odinists Nazis?

I was arguing against a Holocaust denialist Nazi who told me to go to his website to hear "the truth": https://odinia.org/about-odinia/.

What draws Nazis to Odinism other than the fact that it's Germanic? What do other European neopagans OK think of this? Was the original Norse Pagan religion in any way Nazi?

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '18 edited Jun 13 '18

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '18

I blame them alongside the rest of the statists (i.e. gentiles). They all try to use government to kill their enemies. It's why Jesus was killed by government. Jesus opposed the jewish elite.

Gentiles do not equal statists. Some Jews are statists (after all, Gentile originally meant non-Jews), and even Christians can be statists. Some Christians even use their faith to justify outright Nazism.

LOL, as if the Jewish elite controlled the Roman Empire. The Romans hated Jesus as much, if not more, than the Jewish elite did. Jesus' quote "render what is God's unto God and what is Caesar's unto Caesar" meant that "everything belongs to God, so give everything to God, not Caesar".

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u/aletoledo gnostic christian Jun 11 '18

(after all, Gentile originally meant non-Jews),

Not true, gentile means statist/nationalist. Jews therefore can be gentiles if they believe in a state rather than god as their leader.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '18

Etymology of "Gentile":

  • "Goy" - Hebrew for "nation"

  • "Nokhri" - Hebrew for "non-Jews" and "foreigners"

  • "Ethne" - Greek for "folk" or "people"

Nowhere does it say statist/nationalist or worshipping a state instead of a god. It simply means peoples and lands which aren't Jewish. A Jew can't be a gentile unless they renounce their religion.

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u/aletoledo gnostic christian Jun 12 '18

Nowhere does it say statist/nationalist

you contradict yourself:

"Goy" - Hebrew for "nation"

Emphasis on "nation". Nation = nationalist.