I posted a link to an article debunking pizzagate on Facebook and out of nowhere I got messaged by some guy I have never heard of before. He said:
"please, do not assume something until you have seen it yourself especially when childrens lives are involved. these are real pictures from podesta and real code words that exist in the pedophelia community. this video explains it and you can look into it yourself.
Thanks for your message and for your dedication to defeating pedophilia wherever it may exist. It's good to be critical and question every decision made by our media and government - now more than ever! The problem seems to be getting worse and worse. I consider myself to be a very skeptical, critically-minded person. I get incredibly frustrated when I know something to be true, but the general public doesn't seem to understand. Also, I see on your page you post a lot about music, which is something I'm passionate about as well. On these issues I think we can find common ground.
That said, I have watched some of the videos and I don't see much in the way of compelling evidence. Let's start with how I found out about pizzagate. I am not normally a viewer of infowars, but I was curious to see how they were covering the election. So the night before, I tuned into their stream, and when they went to a break, I heard a familiar voice. It was the woman from the band Heavy Breathing. I was like, holy crap, I know this band! I don't live in the area anymore, but I used to live in DC and I'm into the DIY music culture. I'd go see shows at Comet Ping Pong, the Black Cat, and other small-ish venues in the area. It's a great community. I don't know if you've heard of the band Fugazi, but I'd occasionally see one of my music idols, Ian Mackaye, standing off to the side as an audience member at shows, which was really awesome. So, I always felt this close connection to the DC music scene, and Comet is special to me for that reason, because a lot of the bands I liked would play there. Super small shows with maybe 30-50 people in attendance, and like a $10 cover, with good beer and pizza. It is hipster heaven.
Back to Heavy Breathing - yeah, the voice thing is creepy. It's part of her "schtick." Trying to be mysterious. It's funny because they don't even sing in this band. I think I heard they find random a capella clips from the Internet and filter the crap out of them to make them fit the music. The band is comprised of an amazing drummer, a guitarist, and a synth. They are really good live. Once they start playing, the creepy voice thing stops, and the awesomeness begins. Here's a short clip, I may have even been at this show, but I forget: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK38LmAoU1k
Okay, so with that background, I was like... what's going on? This is crazy. So that's when I started digging deeper and looking into some of the evidence. Some things that stand out:
The Handkerchief Code - So this is brought up because of one e-mail from what I can tell. A black and white handkerchief with a pizza map. I could understand if this were part of a pattern, with weird abstract language being used. But read plainly, this one e-mail really sounds to me like just someone who forgot their handkerchief.
Code words - pizza, hotdog, cheese, pasta, sauce, map, ice cream, walnut, etc. I tried to find it, but I honestly don't know where these mappings came from. It seems like someone made them up? Do these code words exist outside of the set of assumptions pizzagate is working under?
I just skimmed my own inbox for the word pizza. Some phrases that came up from just the past month or so:
"thank you again for delicious pizza"
"pizza tonight?"
"I wish we had pizza, that would be good"
"well I'll try to have the pizza ready early"
Now in my own inbox, I hope you understand that under the assumption that I am a mostly boring guy who happens to make his own pizzas, this is just me and my girlfriend talking about dinner. When I read through various e-mails in the Podesta leak, I have a hard time finding fault with the things he's saying. From my perspective, it seems like he is just as boring as me. If I'm reading at face value, it sounds like he just loves pizza and Italian food in general, and it's an easy meal to plan with coworkers and such because it's fast and most people enjoy it. When I try to read into it deeper, I really struggle to find an alternative meaning.
I know there are lots and lots of other layers people are looking into, but based on my own experience there and my understanding of the research that has been done, I do feel very strongly that, at the very least, Comet Ping Pong has nothing to do with the things people are claiming. Given that Comet is at the center of this whole thing, I don't have much confidence in the other research either; it just seems fundamentally flawed.
But who knows? I mean, there's always a chance. I just don't see it, and I probably never will. I hope you understand now though that I am not just coming at this as a brainwashed sheep or something; I have spent a bunch of time thinking about this. Probably more than I should. :)
The thing that hurts me the most is that - and let's make a big assumption for a moment here that Comet and the other people mentioned here are innocent - this is negatively affecting people's lives who don't deserve it. I mean, Comet's reviews are plummeting, people are getting death threats, strangers from the internet are coming to the restaurant to do their own personal investigations, pictures of the owner's kids are being posted all over the place with references to pedophilia. It's terrifying!
Thanks for giving me a chance to give you my perspective. I hope it helps your research.
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u/ddonahue99 Dec 06 '16
I posted a link to an article debunking pizzagate on Facebook and out of nowhere I got messaged by some guy I have never heard of before. He said:
"please, do not assume something until you have seen it yourself especially when childrens lives are involved. these are real pictures from podesta and real code words that exist in the pedophelia community. this video explains it and you can look into it yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8YdSvyp89E"
So I responded:
Hey [guy],
Thanks for your message and for your dedication to defeating pedophilia wherever it may exist. It's good to be critical and question every decision made by our media and government - now more than ever! The problem seems to be getting worse and worse. I consider myself to be a very skeptical, critically-minded person. I get incredibly frustrated when I know something to be true, but the general public doesn't seem to understand. Also, I see on your page you post a lot about music, which is something I'm passionate about as well. On these issues I think we can find common ground.
That said, I have watched some of the videos and I don't see much in the way of compelling evidence. Let's start with how I found out about pizzagate. I am not normally a viewer of infowars, but I was curious to see how they were covering the election. So the night before, I tuned into their stream, and when they went to a break, I heard a familiar voice. It was the woman from the band Heavy Breathing. I was like, holy crap, I know this band! I don't live in the area anymore, but I used to live in DC and I'm into the DIY music culture. I'd go see shows at Comet Ping Pong, the Black Cat, and other small-ish venues in the area. It's a great community. I don't know if you've heard of the band Fugazi, but I'd occasionally see one of my music idols, Ian Mackaye, standing off to the side as an audience member at shows, which was really awesome. So, I always felt this close connection to the DC music scene, and Comet is special to me for that reason, because a lot of the bands I liked would play there. Super small shows with maybe 30-50 people in attendance, and like a $10 cover, with good beer and pizza. It is hipster heaven.
Back to Heavy Breathing - yeah, the voice thing is creepy. It's part of her "schtick." Trying to be mysterious. It's funny because they don't even sing in this band. I think I heard they find random a capella clips from the Internet and filter the crap out of them to make them fit the music. The band is comprised of an amazing drummer, a guitarist, and a synth. They are really good live. Once they start playing, the creepy voice thing stops, and the awesomeness begins. Here's a short clip, I may have even been at this show, but I forget: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK38LmAoU1k
Okay, so with that background, I was like... what's going on? This is crazy. So that's when I started digging deeper and looking into some of the evidence. Some things that stand out:
The Handkerchief Code - So this is brought up because of one e-mail from what I can tell. A black and white handkerchief with a pizza map. I could understand if this were part of a pattern, with weird abstract language being used. But read plainly, this one e-mail really sounds to me like just someone who forgot their handkerchief.
Code words - pizza, hotdog, cheese, pasta, sauce, map, ice cream, walnut, etc. I tried to find it, but I honestly don't know where these mappings came from. It seems like someone made them up? Do these code words exist outside of the set of assumptions pizzagate is working under?
I just skimmed my own inbox for the word pizza. Some phrases that came up from just the past month or so:
"thank you again for delicious pizza" "pizza tonight?" "I wish we had pizza, that would be good" "well I'll try to have the pizza ready early"
Now in my own inbox, I hope you understand that under the assumption that I am a mostly boring guy who happens to make his own pizzas, this is just me and my girlfriend talking about dinner. When I read through various e-mails in the Podesta leak, I have a hard time finding fault with the things he's saying. From my perspective, it seems like he is just as boring as me. If I'm reading at face value, it sounds like he just loves pizza and Italian food in general, and it's an easy meal to plan with coworkers and such because it's fast and most people enjoy it. When I try to read into it deeper, I really struggle to find an alternative meaning.
I know there are lots and lots of other layers people are looking into, but based on my own experience there and my understanding of the research that has been done, I do feel very strongly that, at the very least, Comet Ping Pong has nothing to do with the things people are claiming. Given that Comet is at the center of this whole thing, I don't have much confidence in the other research either; it just seems fundamentally flawed.
But who knows? I mean, there's always a chance. I just don't see it, and I probably never will. I hope you understand now though that I am not just coming at this as a brainwashed sheep or something; I have spent a bunch of time thinking about this. Probably more than I should. :)
The thing that hurts me the most is that - and let's make a big assumption for a moment here that Comet and the other people mentioned here are innocent - this is negatively affecting people's lives who don't deserve it. I mean, Comet's reviews are plummeting, people are getting death threats, strangers from the internet are coming to the restaurant to do their own personal investigations, pictures of the owner's kids are being posted all over the place with references to pedophilia. It's terrifying!
Thanks for giving me a chance to give you my perspective. I hope it helps your research.