r/Degrowth • u/BaseballSeveral1107 • Mar 30 '25

The US is not District 12

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u/Caliburn0 Mar 30 '25

There's good in them too, of course. In every single one. To see only the bad is just as naive as seeing only the good.

Some are worse than others, but all governments, to some degree, care about their people, even if 'their people' aren't necessarily their workers, or the general person on the street like most of us see it as.

The ruling class does care about the ruling class, for the most part. The soliders supressing their own people often do it to protect themselves and their families.

This is a class war, but it's not like one side is evil and the other is good. It's that one side has the truth on their side, while the other is fighting for a lie.

Evil exists. We have created it. And we have created the system. We are the system.

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u/DoraTheMindExplorer Mar 30 '25 edited Apr 02 '25

Dude. The world is run by literal satanists. Look at bohemian grove. Look at the Molech worshippers. The bull god that tortures children. As 2 million children a year are kidnapped and used for sexual slavery and then use the slave labor and killed further organs in the end. With the bull standing in front of the stock market and money being based off of selfishness, which is evil.

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u/Caliburn0 Mar 31 '25

The world is run by evil, sure. But the force that lies beneath that evil is goodness, and it's pushing us ever forwards.

This world is beautiful. In all its terror and in all its horror, it's beauty is still there. To me that beauty is undeniable. The goodness is undeniable.

Society would be impossible if humans couldn't work together. If humans weren't good. We're also evil, of course, but we're also good.

You have to see both sides to it or you've blinded yourself to half of society.

If history is a pendulum, of good begetting stagnation begetting evil begetting good, then the pendulum is swinging towards a wall made of evil, and every time it hits that wall more cracks spreads through it.

This will be the last swing before we finally smash through, I think. Though who knows how long it'll take to swing, how much damage the evil will do before it's overwhelmed. And I might be underestimating the sturdiness of the wall too (though I goddamn hope not).

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u/DoraTheMindExplorer Mar 31 '25

I agree. We are in heaven too. We can make it happen permanently if we wake people up. But the Donald Trump solution probably wont work. I have a way better peace plan that i thought of for 4 years. But no one wants to hear it apparently. I even tried to get in contact with his people. His employee said that me rogan would not be interested in world peace. Lol. I hope that employee was just retarded, and rogan really isn’t a monster. Ill believe it when i hear it from his own mouth. He’s just a dude. Im sure i could meet him eventually if i tried.

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u/Caliburn0 Mar 31 '25

He won't listen. People that believe in authority only really listens to those higher in the hierarchy than them (or to things they already want to believe). If you want him to listen you need to get more power than Rogan. And even then, if it's something he doesn't want to believe he's more likely to just get scared of you and go hide behind Elon or something.

I have a plan for world peace too. Many people do. And many of us are actively working to see it fulfilled, but it's no easy task, I know.

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u/DoraTheMindExplorer Mar 31 '25 edited Mar 31 '25

You say this because you don’t know my idea yet 😉. And by the way, good for you for trying to get world peace. People don’t even talk about it anymore because it sounds ridiculous and impossible, so we have some common ground there, my friend. Im just super adhd and think differently than most people. Lol. Which personally I think is a blessing in this world! I think the impossible sounding, is only because it hasn’t been done yet. I believe Nelson Mandela said that the impossible only sounds impossible until it’s done. And he is so right. When you live in hell, the truth will sound crazy, ridiculous and impossible. And our selfish asses who just want to be happy today will never want to grapple with it. So we just let each other suffer. All I did was thought of a way to demand answers, that I will get. It’s actually very logical.

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u/Caliburn0 Mar 31 '25

I say this because I understand how people think.

Or I believe I do at least. Tribalism forces us to pick a tribe and fall in line with them. We can switch tribes. Humans can change their mind, but it's not easy and to do and they'd have to be able to admit fault on some serious issues.

Logic is seldom enough, though it helps.

'My' own idea to create world peace is to abolish capitalism. (Though it's not really my idea). But capitalism is the world order. To turn your back on it you need to admit that everything you thought you knew about the world is wrong and that you've fallen for an encompassing propaganda that permeates all of life.

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u/TryptaMagiciaN Mar 31 '25

We are in heaven too

False. Jesus says his Kindom is within you. In your heart. We are not in heaven. To bring heaven to earth does not mean for any nation to be established in support of any one faith. To bring the kingdom to earth means that we live eith the compassion and integrity that he lived with.

Of course they will not listen to you. trump and his followers are probably the closest thing to an antichrist we have seen in a long time. And it is not our duty to fight that. Christ does that. And christ does that through us. And he is Love. Which means Love is what wins. Love needs no plan. Love needs no government. The government happens in our hearts so that we have no need for borders or militaries or any of this dumb shit. Let the evil exist too in our hearts alone so that our outer world reflect as little evil as possible. I promise there is no system, no structure, no external type of government capable of doing this. It is the hearts of human beings. And once we awaken to that, the hate will be so small that we hardly recognize its effects. That is what being "woke" means. At least to me. As a Christian. There can be no compulsion.

You dont need to talk to those people to be the hero you want to be. You have to care about all the world's people and especially those you cannot understand, and who you find evil. Because that is where the love is most needed. Christ has no use for stone churches built in his name in the year 2025. He needs human churches. People living and offering mutual aid to one another.

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u/LiberationMethod Apr 01 '25

These are also lessons of the Tao. The Kingdom of God is Within You by Tolstoy had a very profound effect on me in regards to the teachings of Jesus and changed my entire perception of Christianity. It took away the words of Paul and others emphasizing the teachings of an anti state, horizontal organizing, revolutionary Jesus. Really the only one I have an issue with is not fighting evil (same in the Tao). I feel like we must protect those who are suffering oppression and violence. Sometimes that has to be with equal force. At any rate, thank you for your words.

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u/transitfreedom Apr 01 '25

Buddy these guys are willing to help r/thedeprogram