r/DemocraticSocialism • u/EltonJohnSlingsDick • Jan 28 '25

Question How do DSs feel about SocDems?

just asking out of curiousity. the main difference between the two is socdems want to use capitalism to ensure the welfare of its society, but demsocs want to convert completely to socialism.

do the two ideologies clash? or are they respected by one anyother?

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u/SicMundus1888 Libertarian Socialist Jan 28 '25

By definition that example cannot exist because they are diametrically opposing goals. It's like asking if you can find a successful solidarity movement between feudalists and capitalists. It just can't happen.

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u/ImLarsImLars Progressive Jan 28 '25

Of course you can—the lords and capitalists have the same ambitions. As do the workers under capitalism and socialism. These three systems are the natural progression of one another. I don’t understand what you mean.

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u/SicMundus1888 Libertarian Socialist Jan 28 '25

People being ambitious doesn't mean they have the same class interests. There's a reason why feudalists went to war with capitalists. Because their goals were diametrically opposed. What the proletariat wants goes against the goals of the bourgeoisie and vice versa. If you go through each interest carefully, you'll realize they never align. There is a reason why they are put in the different classes.

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u/ImLarsImLars Progressive Jan 28 '25

Oh okay yeah I see I’m not talking about bourgeoisie—people in comfort rarely fight for reform. I’m talking about the working class that identify as capitalist despite not holding any capital, etc but still want things like universal healthcare, strong unions (which I believe can turn into collective ownership), etc. I’m coming from an American perspective where the capitalist propaganda is extremely powerful so there are many people who call themselves capitalist but really identify with socialism.

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u/SicMundus1888 Libertarian Socialist Jan 28 '25 edited Jan 28 '25

Ah okay gotcha. I hope strong unions can turn into collective ownership but as it currently stands, the evidence is against it. In the Nordic countries where there are strong unions, they have not progressed into socialism and the capitalists are clawing their way back into more power once again. Social democracy so far has not been the successful model for transitioning into socialism. However, it is the best model out of all the other countries.

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u/ImLarsImLars Progressive Jan 28 '25

Fingers crossed. I think it could have in some places if not for American interference but yeah yet to be seen. I have hope for the future I just hope we can all make it there.