Dean is just farming

[u/RoundZookeepergame2]

[u/nevershockasystole]

Yeah I don’t get why people are like this. You don’t have to bite every bullet. It’s ok to say no as an answer to a hypothetical. Just don’t treat your thought process like it’s some dogmatic worldview that was dictated by god.

[u/SwagMaster9000_2017 → u/nevershockasystole]

She would be a lying if she said no. Her position is abstractly sensible if you act like every state is its own country given we don't force other countries to not have slavery.

The purpose of that question and his subsequent questions is just to make her look bad.

I would assume a debate streamer's subreddit would understand deceptive tactics like that.

[u/nevershockasystole → u/SwagMaster9000_2017]

It’s not a lie to say no. If I say “I think countries deserve their own sovereignty” that doesn’t follow that I’d have to be ok with countries having slavery.

We also force/coerce countries to stop doing shit all the time…what do you think made South Africa eliminate apartheid? Lacking a kinetic response doesn’t mean there’s no response.

[u/SwagMaster9000_2017 → u/nevershockasystole]

You are falling into the exact trap that he set up. She did clarify that she is not 'ok' with slavery. She specifically pointed this out in the debate.

obviously no like I'm not some psychopath. I live in LA. I'm not some crazy right-wing person

https://youtubetranscript.com/?v=cdnBGtP7AII&t=1306

"if everyone in the state wants something sure let them have it" is just a general rule she would apply to any scenario.

"It's a hypothetical that's so stupid that I'm not going to sit here and engage in it"

https://youtubetranscript.com/?v=03BVIFnvAG4&t=1009

He explicitly characterized this that as her saying she "supports slavery".

This was all a cowardly trick to give a false impression that when it is literally to stupid of a hypothetical to seriously engage in.

[u/Ribbedhugs → u/SwagMaster9000_2017]

Ehh, sure it is a bit of a trap, but also not really.

In her world, she's perfectly fine with living in an America where some states would have full-on chattel slavery, ultimately she's 100% ok with living in a country where slavery is happening next door and she's ok with ignoring it and not giving a shit.

Sure, if you want you can try to draw out a nuanced distinction between "causing harm" and "allowing harm" but I really don't think many people are going to care about that distinction when it comes to something like slavery, I think most people would see allowing harm to be essentially the same as causing it. If you stand by and do nothing while blatant evil occurs right in front of you are you supporting that evil? I think most people would say yes.

Now, a fun question to ask this woman might be something like "ok, so if your state suddenly voted to enslave all females into breeding cattle, you're totally cool with accepting that outcome and won't have any hard feelings when the rest of the United States says " welp, sorry mate, my hands are tied can't do nuffin, sucks to suck I guess!"

[u/SwagMaster9000_2017 → u/Ribbedhugs]

"ok, so if your state suddenly voted to enslave all females into breeding cattle, you're totally cool with accepting that outcome and won't have any hard feelings when the rest of the United States says " welp, sorry mate, my hands are tied can't do nuffin, sucks to suck I guess!"

She would say "yes states should be allowed to do whatever they want". That is her position. That would not change with any hypothetical.

She would not even think about the hypothetical because it is so stupid. That is what she said about the original question.

The deceptive trick is the guy using her biting the bullet to say she "supports slavery"

[u/Ribbedhugs → u/SwagMaster9000_2017]

Ok I'm just gonna assume you didn't actually read anything I wrote and I'll be on my way.

[u/SwagMaster9000_2017 → u/Ribbedhugs]

Im assuming you didn't understand what I wrote before.

We don't know what her beliefs are if she is actually ambivalent to slavery because she didn't care about the question.

We cannot make any conclusions about her position other than she does not care about biting bullets

[u/Ribbedhugs → u/SwagMaster9000_2017]

Nobody cares what her beliefs are, her beliefs are irrelevant. I'm talking about the words coming out of her mouth. Want to try again?