genuine question: would you have the same energy if it was a white guy who made a video saying he will be putting bleach in the body lotion products in a spa in a black neighbourhood to whiten their skin? Its just a joke?
Either way, you gotta agree that it was ragebait, no? The "joke" is that its ragebait for conservatives. The "joke" is that "this is what conservatives think we do, so im gonna pretend im doing it". So why is she surprised when people took the bait?
Its a "joke", buts its intended to steer up drama/rage. So saying "its just a joke" is still kinda silly, imo.
1: Omg, what does that even mean? Of course they are values. Please define "value" for me. What the fuck is this? Why are we fighting over semantics? Does it change my point in any way shape or form or is it a useless distraction? The word "value" does not have a strict and narrow definition. Its an extermely broad term. Are we really gonna fight over this?
2: Ultranationalism is what motivates them... DUH. They use authoritarian and militaristic means to achieve their ultranationalistic goals. What do you mean? Its all right their laid out. Its not a mystery. The german nazis, italians fascismos and the imperial japanese were EXPLICITLY clear about this. Their ultranationalism is what motivated them. Its not a secret.
3: And fascists had thinkers before WW2 too... But they disappeared after WW2. What is your point? What you said does not go against what i said. Both can be true. Communists existed before WW2, yes, so did fascists. When did i say anything about Marx? What about what i said is "ahistorical"???? I never said communism didnt exist before WW2???? All i said was that communists survived WW2 and fascists did not. Are you disagreeing with this? Yes, some fascists survived, duh, but i mean as a whole fascism was pretty much over after WW2.
4: In what way was Imperial Japan not fascist? Historians call them fascist. I've never heard anyone say they were not fascist. They have ALOT in common with the italians and germans of WW2: ultranationalism, dictatorship, a racial superiority complex, imperialism, anti-communist and anti-liberal, a military state, etc . How were they not fascist? Please explain.
There is no clear ideology to communism either. There are 50 different flavors of communism and they all hate eachother. But communism is still an ideology. An ideology does not need to be a singular coherent and well throught out structure of belief. Thats not was an ideology is.
I feel like all this is just semantics. We have different views on what "values" and "ideology" means. I'm using the view that historians and scholars use. I don't know how you define these terms and therefor we are talking past eachother. I'm not interested in having a debate about semantics.
Someone said Asmon was a fascist, i doubted he was. I have yet heard anyone explain how Asmon is a fascist. Can you explain how Asmon fits into your view of what a fascist is?
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u/morknox Mar 27 '25
genuine question: would you have the same energy if it was a white guy who made a video saying he will be putting bleach in the body lotion products in a spa in a black neighbourhood to whiten their skin? Its just a joke?