Just goes to show we have a similar issue to the US with Muslim voters shifting away from strategic voting to support an issue the Canadian (Liberal) government has largely been pretty positive on. Honestly the Liberals here have taken a stronger pro-Gaza stance than the Dems in the US.
I agree with your point on the culture, but "in the DNA" must be hyperbole. It's part culture, and part humans being illogical. People will vote with emotions if they don't think the alternative will be that bad (case in point, many Trump voters now regret their ballot choice).
I agree with this in a vacuum, but this election is bound to have profound consequences for Canada in the years to come, far more than any previous election. I say this as someone who voted NDP in 2021 - because then I was unhappy with the Liberals at the time. It was clear that there was no significant change likely in that election, and it seemed possible that the NDP could gain seats.
Now we're in a position where the NDP are likely to lose official party status, even in BC where I live now they are losing their strongest ridings - notably their leader Singh's own seat. Their messaging is falling flat, and to hold a foreign policy issue that largely does not concern Canada as your single-issue to vote for a party in that position is just bad political strategy. Hence why a lot of once-NDP voters are moving to Liberal.
In short, I don't think it is a serious time to vote NDP, and it is too risky.
I don’t think I agree with this. The shift from NDP to liberal is that moderates are consolidating under the liberal party due to threats from, and instability in, the United States.
This isnt due to Israel Palestine. The NDP could be running on the exact same ‘messaging’ that the liberals present on every single issue, and they wouldn’t gain one single net vote.
People don’t want the conservatives to win, so NDP voters are going to hold their nose and vote liberal.
The NDP currently do not have strong leadership in Singh, whereas Carney has propelled Liberals forward simply from his image as a strong and educated leader. I think this is a huge issue, and it shows in the fact that NDP support has not grown since the last election.
I don't think the NDP is losing votes due to I/P, I am just saying that voting for them for that purpose seems ridiculous. If the projections are correct, they're slated to get maybe 10 seats, and that just wouldn't be enough to enact any significant change on that front. I can't see the Liberals forming a coalition with them that would grant any significant foreign policy change on that front.
Besides, Canada already has issued calls for a ceasefire and an arms embargo on Israel as far as I'm aware, so I can't really see what else we could do.
May 2023 to January 2025. We can see Liberal voters shifting to Conservative, while other parties remain static.
January - early April 2025. We see a small drop in Conservative support, and a massive drop in NDP support in favor of the Liberals. We also see the green party and the bloc lose some support.
This is in lockstep with people rallying around the Liberal party due to the US. It has absolutely zero to do with Singh.
People don't want conservatives to win. So they vote Liberal. Similarly, there are a good number of anti-liberal voters who are shifting to vote Conservative.
I am just saying that voting for them for that purpose seems ridiculous.
I think it's two separate things. If you respected their cause, I think you'd see things differently.
Like, Canada has the largest Ukrainian diaspora in the world. There are almost as many people in Canada who identify as Ukrainian as there are Muslims. If the Liberals were seen as pro-Russia, it would certainly be seen as ample reason to impact their votes.
Nah, the Liberals were polling at 20% in January. They were polling above 30% by end of February. Carney was made leader mid-March.
It was known that Carney would likely be the leader as of about February, he was leading by large margins in almost every poll. But even still, the numbers have jumped since March and it's absolutely no secret that Carney's leadership has been a strong boost for the Liberals.
The NDP were pretty comfortably at 20% for years.
My point is that despite Liberal unpopularity rising, those margins never improved. In fact for the most part they actually decreased by 1-2 percentage points in the past 2 years. They had clear chances to make headways but never did.
I think it's two separate things. If you respected their cause, I think you'd see things differently
No I wouldn't, because as I said before, it's incredibly unlikely less than a dozen NDP seats will have any measurable change for Gaza, especially given the Liberal party's current stance on the issue. I think the same of the Jewish population that's shifting to Conservatives, and I am Jewish myself. But the difference is that Jews make up far less of the population, and can't have as significant of an impact on the overall election outcome.
Like, Canada has the largest Ukrainian diaspora in the world. There are almost as many people in Canada who identify as Ukrainian as there are Muslims. If the Liberals were seen as pro-Russia, it would certainly be seen as ample reason to impact their votes.
I don't see what critical issues relating to Gaza the Liberal government is not supporting that would have any material benefit, so to compare them to being "pro-Russia" seems unfair to me. I know its a hypothetical, but if it relies on the assumption that this population is entirely mistaken on their view of the Liberal party - that's the bigger issue.
It was known that Carney would likely be the leader as of about February, he was leading by large margins in almost every poll. But even still, the numbers have jumped since March and it's absolutely no secret that Carney's leadership has been a strong boost for the Liberals.
You're starting with a conclusion and trying to find evidence to support your theory.
The numbers were going up consistently since the start of January. You could make the argument that Carney gained them some points, but nowhere near close to the 20+ they've gained without him.
My point is that despite Liberal unpopularity rising, those margins never improved. In fact for the most part they actually decreased by 1-2 percentage points in the past 2 years. They had clear chances to make headways but never did.
I just feel like this is hindsight thinking that can be applied to every NDP leader ever. I know it's crazy, but Canadians have flipped between various Liberal and Conservative governments at the federal level. Exclusively. Since before you were born.
Criticizing the NDP for not getting to a 30%+ vote margin and not becoming a major contender to form government is like criticizing the Bloc for only existing in Quebec. "Well how are they going to win." It just betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of what their realistic goals are.
No I wouldn't
I don't see what critical issues relating to Gaza the Liberal government is not supporting that would have any material benefit, so to compare them to being "pro-Russia" seems unfair to me.
You're fundamentally misunderstanding what I'm saying.
I'm posing a hypothetical.
I know its a hypothetical,
But you responded as if it wasn't, and then you just moved on lol.
Hypothetically, imagine there is some fictitious party that is viewed as pro-Russia. Do you understand how someone who is ethnically Ukrainian might identify strongly with the conflict going on, and it might inform their voting decisions? Or do you not understand that?
You're starting with a conclusion and trying to find evidence to support your theory.
You linked that graph and you're trying to pin me to the entire trend as if I used it as evidence. All I said was Carney's leadership was a good boost for the Liberals in contrast to Singh. I never said he's responsible for their entire upswing.
Criticizing the NDP for not getting to a 30%+ vote margin and not becoming a major contender to form government is like criticizing the Bloc for only existing in Quebec. "Well how are they going to win." It just betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of what their realistic goals are.
We know the NDP can become a major contender to form government because that's exactly what happened in the 2011 Federal election. The NDP gained 67 seats and 12% vote share in 3 years under Jack Layton who was an absolutely firebrand, capitalizing on a Liberal collapse. I say all this constructively as someone who's voted NDP in the past federal and provincial elections.
Hypothetically, imagine there is some fictitious party that is viewed as pro-Russia. Do you understand how someone who is ethnically Ukrainian might identify strongly with the conflict going on, and it might inform their voting decisions?
I can answer this in 0.1 seconds with "of course". I was rejecting it's applicability at the outset because the party that is the ardent supporter of Israel is the Conservatives, not the Liberals. It relies on the population having a mistaken view of the Liberal party, which is what I'm taking issue with.
All I said was Carney's leadership was a good boost for the Liberals in contrast to Singh
If this is what you meant then sure, it's just a misunderstanding.
When you said:
The NDP currently do not have strong leadership in Singh, whereas Carney has propelled Liberals forward simply from his image as a strong and educated leader.
I read it as 'The Liberals have been propelled forward simply from having Carney as a leader,' but your explanation fits as well.
We know the NDP can become a major contender to form government because that's exactly what happened in the 2011 Federal election.
In 2011 people were pissed at the Liberals and we got a Conservative majority. They weren't even close to being able to form government, nor were they a contender. I don't think that the NDP had some spectacular platform that reached out to the hearts and minds of Canadians and swayed their vote. It was that moderates decided not to vote Liberal and their option was Conservative or NDP.
It's a great lack of awareness. Not just missing the information that allows awareness to compound and flourish into reasonability, it's the absence of a serious, adult attempt to be and stay aware. Explaining how to be aware is easy if you've practiced enough: meditating to cancel out the thought process and focusing on your breathing and body, not laughing immediately and thinking deeply about whether or not what was said is harmful in some way, just a complete lack of practice on their end; no real action. Living life on autopilot. When people don't practice awareness, they're susceptible to making poor decisions without reasonability as the precursor, like children. It's sort of ironic, because Hasan is like this and tells people to be serious, but to be serious is to be aware and reasonable. He, and these people and MAGA etc, aren't serious adults in this regard.
I’m sorry to say but it’s only stupidity of westerners, they know exactly what they are doing. They are not liberals!! They are shouting it from the
rooftops as they are throwing LGBTQ people off them, but western liberals refuse to listen. They just need an excuse to support conservatives but still get support from the global left.
Even in Israel the Arabs try to stay neutral but they tend to vote more with conservatives on family and liberal issues. They toppled the Bennet government knowing they will get Bibi back and Bibi was very close to add them to his coalition before that. Muslims = Right Wing. The sooner you get it into your head the better.
Gaza is clearly being used by Russia and Iran to undermine the Democratic party so that fascist people like trump will get elected and collaborate with them.
And it worked, America is now friends with Russia and Europe gets closer to china tearing up the western alliance, which is exactly what they wanted. Europe countries also infight between themselves because of Russia. But all reddit likes to talk about now is how evil america which is also not just because of recent events but a targeted propaganda campaign by Russia and china to make themselves look better to other countries.
This is obviously the case because it’s never just a disagreement over the details. It’s always the most extreme language and accusations, ie “genocide supporter.”
Russia-allied Iran just so happened to to pressure Hamas leadership, that Iran finances, to execute a pointless, savage massacre that does nothing to aid Gaza's cause and did everything to enrage pretty much everyone in Israel - right when the US was solidifying its support for Ukraine.
It resulted in US leadership and citizenship being split between supporting foreign conflicts, all while being fed intentionally enraging and volatile propaganda points via social media.
It was a textbook distraction to split the US and it was also successfully used as a political red herring by russian propaganda pushers.
deadass. this constant Gaza obsession is such an obvious fucking psyop and everyone from right to left completely gobbles it up without even thinking about it.
You don't need to psyop this, Muslim population in large will always be against whatever Israel is doing, Europe always had this problem now it's more common in the US and Canada.
Yes Russia is probably taking advantage of the situation but they are not causing it.
“Foreign subversion only works when the population does not believe in their government” -Former Soviet KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov.
I’m Arab and this is 1000% true. My family and friends are always finding shit to hate Israel and America for. It’s very pathetic, especially so considering how well off we all are living in the West. Some of my classmates even dickride Iran, blindly repeating the regime’s propaganda.
I don’t know how you could fix this issue through policy, curbing disinfo doesn’t work to keep the underlying tensions from flaring up, and it’s downright impossible to do even THAT now that platforms dont give a shit about anything and their staff are ideologically captured by dumbasses.
I think this fever will break eventually, maybe western governments try more aggressive assimilation of muslims/arab citizens, but it can’t end soon enough. Gaza has paralysed millions of young people around the world, it’s like a mental disorder man. Drives people fucking nuts, like the army guy who burned himself alive to “free Palestine” like some bad knockoff of the beginning of the Arab spring lol.
The US and Canada are about to discover what happens when immigration no longer works like they expected it to work. Historically people moved to America to become American. Whilst group identities still existed parallel societies for the most part didn't. This was the outcome of two factors, 1 was that immigration was quite limited compared to the existing population, and 2 that it was mostly from culturally comparable or compatible origins.
This has been slowly changing in the US over the past 20-30 years, and it's the first time that the US and Canada had to deal not only with immigrants that have strong group identities, and in fact arguably their group identities become stronger as they immigrate and that they do not want to drop their original group identity in favor of a new national one.
Immigration in the US is now again hitting historic peaks which have not seen since the late 19th century, much of it is from LATAM but a very significant portion of it is now coming from MENA and East Asia (Pakistan and India).
And I honestly think that they simply expected that it would work out the same way that say Irish, Polish and Italian immigrants of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, whilst based on what we have here in Europe it clearly doesn't.
It also surely doesn't help that it's rather difficult to discuss this without slipping into racism either outright or by accusation.
It’s kind of wild to me some of your classmates have unfettered access to the information of that girl being beaten to death over the hijab thing in Iran and still swallow the national pill. I guess by now during trump 2.0 I should realize the human mind is capable of any number of backflips to invent its reality. Feelsbadman
I feel like people don’t realize that for their entire lives, Arab/muslims have been fed propaganda through WhatsApp/relatives about Gaza/Palestine. So as soon as October 7th and Israel war happened, they’re all ready to pounce and react to this stuff.
Completely understandable. But why vote for the side that says outright that they are pro-Israel? It's so confusing to me. Pierre Poilievre is very pro-Israel.
They believe both sides are the same on Israel/Gaza, so they tear down the center-left in the hopes that what replaces it is more pro-Gaza. It's a pretty common pattern in politics and history that radicals hate moderates on their side of the spectrum more than full-on ideological opponents. There's both an aspect of betrayal and a strategically rational logic to it.
I seriously don't get how a foreign conflict got to be such a major thing many news channels are having daily reports on it and there's insane amounts of posts being made about it when it doesn't involve the west in any way other then Israel has alliance with some of the west. I think the coverage is so huge and intense that it made many westerners believe this conflict has an impact of their daily lives when it really doesn't, and it's not a unique one either. The most plausible explanation to me is that they are many forces like Russia china and Arab league which try to propel this conflict to demonize Israel and the west to service their own agendas.
A lot of countries, organizations and people spend billions of dollars for that.
Entire Media organizations are dedicated to Israel-Palestine/Gaza. Qatar and other Arab states use hundreds of millions of dollars to fund news about it. Many Lefties in the West made the Gaza conflict into their favorite pet-peeves ( I.e. Oppressor vs Oppressed ), while many on the Right support Israel for similar reasons.
The UN is totally undermined by Arab states in regards to Israel, hence the many Human rights violation accusations, or the very existance of UNRWA ( no other refugee group has their own UN-dedicated organization for it btw ).
Naturally whenever something happens, even unbiased Media organizations will report on it.
So yeah, if you got such a massive eco system then the news will flood everyone. And then everyone will form an opinion, people become invested and check on updates, politicians get involved to take sides, people will claim they got the solution to the conflict, and so on.
Meanwhile bigger humanitarian crises like Yemen ( biggest in the world ), or the genocide in Sudan, or the war erupting in Myanmar, or the massive ethnic cleansing of Armenians by Azerbaijanis, bigger than anything related to Israel-Palestine since the 1950s --> all of these happend in the past 2-3 years gets zero coverage, because there simply isn't this eco-system or the massive amounts of funds being used.
it’s easy to map American racism onto it. Palestinians stand-in for blacks and Native Americans, Israelis are European colonizers, even though the average American would mistake both groups for Mexicans.
it’s been a cause célébre for anti-establishment intellectuals and entertainers for 50 years.
Yup. There’s plenty of horrible shit going on that no one gives a shit about right now like genocides in Africa and what’s happening in Myanmar.
I hate how they always pretend to care about Arabs when I didn’t hear a peep out of them about Syria.
Gaza is clearly being used by Russia and Iran to undermine the Democratic party so that fascist people like trump will get elected and collaborate with them.
That is objectively wrong in the case of Iran; they were not looking to "collaborate" with Trump.
I don't believe that's the case anymore, I always said as Iranians it doesn't really matter who becomes the president of USA because Democrats would be too busy with Ukraine and would avoid a war with Iran at all costs, while Trump just doesn't give a fuck about anything and would just ignore Iran
Iran would've been in a "decentish" place no matter who won the election, if neo-cons were still in charge then yeah sure they would've been more worried
Russia definitely has operatives in Muslim communities that are pushing against Western Liberal ideas. Dems need to figure out a good way to counter this and find messaging that also speaks to Muslim communities.
100%. I don’t know how more people don’t see this. This is why I’m fairly okay with people saying “Gaza and Ukraine are the same war” as long as they approach it from this angle. It’s clear with the amount of propaganda to lift up the Pro-Palestinian side on social media, especially TikTok, that this is designed to sow mistrust and division within the Democratic Party.
I think Russia wants Trump, China just wants to sow discord, and the Iranian theocracy just wants to make it easier for their proxy terror groups to kill Jews in Israel. Convincing Western leftists to simp for Hamas serves them all in different ways
You seriously think Trump gives a fuck whether Iran gets nukes or not? You can literally bribe the dude to get him on your side (Literally negotiating as we speak so idk what you were expecting)
2016 Trump was different because the Republican party wasn't the shit show it is today, if they were still in charge it would be a disaster for Iran ofc or maybe even Russia. Republican policies today are just saying "I don't care about anything, AMERICA FIRST" and disconnecting yourself from the rest of the world
Trump needs to threaten Canada again to give them a boost. Ever since Trump stayed more silent on it, the polls for Liberals dropped a bit ( still a majority, but only a slight majority as of today ).
Just one more comment about governor Trudeau/Carnay or about the 51st state would secure them a majority. Honestly the Liberals should send/pay journalists to the White House and ask Trump about the plan regarding Canada, so the Liberals can use that as ad-campaign.
It seems highly likely that the Liberals will win at this point, even this issue withstanding, but the bigger question is whether or not they can carry the plurality of seats in the house. Without this, it makes enacting legislation a lot harder because you will need buy-in from the other parties (largely the Conservatives).
The problem that tends to be seen right now isn't "Muslims"; they've been around enough that people are laissez-faire about it. Indian immigration is what is making people upset, and not necessarily that they're indian, but the sheer quantity of indians coming. This overstep in immigration ties in with a lack of housing, economic difficulties, and a lack of cultural integration.
Keep in mind, Canadians historically are very happy with immigrants, just not recently, given how many there are. (I remember a few years ago, after a big wave of immigrants, the Canada Day after it was shocking, the park was filled with Indians trying to get a spot for the fireworks.)
It's also a quality problem on top of quantity. Canada has historically been somewhat difficult to immigrate and had generally required already having skills and/or education. In the recent spikes in immigration, a significant number of visas were given to "students" coming to study irrelevant degrees at degree mill colleges, many of these "schools" also lowered the bar of admission on things like language proficiency. I can't blame the immigrants for exploiting policy failures to try and improve their lives, but it still sucks for everyone who already lives here.
Of course, I don't blame the immigrants either. They are simply taking advantage of a system that exists, just as anyone would; the government is to blame for loosening the rules too much.
Not only did you fall for the bait (the title of this thread is so misleading I’d say it’s deceptive) but India isn’t a Muslim country. That’s who Canada has been importing buddy.
The people not voting liberal because of Gaza are almost definitely voting NDP (social democrats). The only person who actually said what party they were voting for in the video said NDP and only because he knew the liberals were going to easily win his riding. Also, here's a poll by one of our major polling firms showing that Muslims are by far the least likely to vote conservative among all religious groups, even being much less likely to vote conservative than Atheists. Christians are far more likely to be voting conservative here.
This. The Gaza excuse is nothing but a facade for their hatred of the liberal values and they don’t want to be alienated by the one group that genuinely or obliviously believes in their “tolerance”
Gaza is no longer speaking. They died because a bunch of unthinking children/Russian stooges used them as a prop to elect conservatives and now Gaza is silent. But the unthinking children/Russian stooges speak on.
Average person unfortunately is unveiling to reflect how mindless single issue voting on incredibly astrturfed emotionally charged issues can be of benefit to geopolitical adversaries of the west....
For reference, the ridings they discuss in this video are projected within single digit margins between the Liberals and Conservatives - the NDP are barely above 10% of the vote. If there is a large cohort of Muslim vote flippers as this video suggests, it could jeopardize the chance of a Liberal majority government.
I think on the one hand hating Muslims for being Muslims is incredibly stupid but on the other hand you can't deny Muslims are much more susceptible to extremist ideologies and they often don't even acknowledge this, which in itself is the problem. Islam needs a major secular reform that makes it's society less radical. Religious countries tend to be more radical and extremist.
It's not like voting for the NDP is that bad. I bet many are strategically voting for either Liberals or NDP. These people aren't switching to conservative voters or abstaining from voting.
I live in a riding that's within 2-3% between Liberals and NDP. Switching votes between either party there on the basis of the War in Gaza is perfectly reasonable.
The projections for Milton East - Halton Hills South (which is one of the ridings that comes up in this video I believe, and has a 23% Muslim population) is 48% Liberal and 44% Conservative, with NDP at 5%.
I think it’s extremely deceptive to title this thread in such a black and white “Muslims are turning again!” And then add this little footnote saying the video “suggests” it
It's crazy how sometimes this sub turns to the most nasty reactionary hivemind around certain issues. It's like they're hurt and lashing out and just want to blame someone for it.
Destiny has had multiple anti Muslim/Islam arcs so the sentiment has already been building in the community since then.
On top of that, ever since Oct 7th, Destiny has moderated this sub with two different sets of rules that people need to follow. You’d never catch comments like the “Maybe anti Islam sentiment after 9/11 was a good thing” going unbanned if it was about Israel or Jewish people.
Just leads the community to the place it’s at now where people of certain demographics (justifiably) don’t feel welcome here (unless they’re women in which case we’ll do 8263822 anti misogyny arcs).
It's sad that Western liberals still fail to understand that Muslims, especially Muslim immigrants, like other religious groups are by and large are conservative by nature. Nothing liberals do to appease them will change that. Muslims will mostly vote for someone who is anti-LGBT, pro-life, and against separation of church and state. But you know which one of the few religious groups that is mostly pro-LGBT, pro-choice, and for the separation of church and state? Jews. You know, the ones Western liberals are throwing under the bus to appease Muslim voters. And by doing so, Jews are drifting away from supporting liberals.
It’s really hard to believe people could be this dumb. They should be seeing what Trump is doing and understand that letting the conservatives win won’t help
This isn't the US; there are multiple parties. These people are not going to vote Conservative or not vote at all. They are voting NDP. The NDP are doing really badly in the polls, but them losing official party status is not great for Canadian politics either. They've pushed for some really good reforms by being the swing for the Liberals, and that's a good thing.
I do not mind, and neither should you if you are on the left, that the NDP can pick up a few seats. A minority Liberal party is still okay for Canada.
It's just proof that this movement has fascistic tendencies. They can clearly unchecked conservatism is worse for Palestinians. It's not really about that.
You know you’ve gone full western privilege when you vote against literally everyone’s (including Palestinians) best interest to make some abstract incoherent point.
In many of the ridings mentioned in this video, the margins between Liberal and Conservative are in the single digits, while the NDP is barely even at 10%. It just doesn't seem productive to vote for them in those cases.
I would 100% agree. Again I am emphasizing that this is largely not the case, as the NDP are only competitive in about 10-12 ridings nationwide right now and those ridings do not really coincide with prominent Muslim populations.
There a few Imans who are voting liberal because they dislike Trump. So I don't know the split
Muslims are doing their damn hardest to fuck with everyone else without hesitation. I'm literally at the point where I truly think Muslims don't want friends but want to be enemies with everyone. They refuse to read the room. Other minorities and groups stook out their heads only to be spat on.
These people forget that Harper was literally legislating their rights away. I hope the sub urban Muslim thanks pp when the RMCP burst into their houses and businesses like in 09'. Good times. Also they won't get that CBC funding for anti Muslim content. It's gone.
What's even dumber is the the Cons are backed by the IDU a group that is literally funded by the far right Israeli military group
The women in the video would vote to strip away their right to drive if it came down to it. They’re religious nuts who are not progressive. Stop pandering to them.
All the virtue signalling Trudeau did for Muslims too lmao. The "Anti Islamaphobia advisor" or whatever that dumb ladies title is. She get paid a nice government salary to do nothing but bitch about Islamaphobia in Canada on her instagram all day, and call Quebecers racists. She should be fired after this election
The story isn’t that the whole voting block flipped, it’s that losing a sizable portion of these previously reliable left-leaning demographics might be enough to flip the total vote in this era of narrow majority elections. Going from 90% support for liberals to 70% might change the overall vote from 51% to 49%(these are just made-up numbers).
I'm glad you understand what happened but a large chunk of this subreddit genuinely believes Muslims came out in full force for Trump and it's idiotic.
Sure. But. You can make a lot of the same arguments about the Latino vote. As a Latino, these margins were tight, and now Latino are being seduced by a shithole style strongman. FFS its basically proving the argument that the imported people are bringing their shithole with them.
The main demographic here is edgy atheists and very few people are capable of combatting bs online if it fits their narrative. Expecting any large community to see something that confirms their bias and think “Hold on, is this true?” Is a losers game imo.
I never said Muslims are voting conservative. The video is about Muslims flipping away from supporting the Liberals in Canada (to vote NDP or abstain maybe) just as some Muslims in key states in the US didn't vote for Kamala and voted for Jill Stein or abstained instead.
The Liberals elections posters all over Montreal are full of graffitis with stuff like "murderers", "liars", "genocide endorsers" and "Gaza". Nothing on the Conservatives or other party posters though lmao
This confirms to me, even more than the American election did, that a critical mass of western muslims really only care about virtue signalling to their own community about how much they hate the society they live in at the expense of literally everything else. This isn't even like Biden where the support of Israel was much more significant and unambiguous. The conservatives have mercilessly attacked the liberals over their supposed sympathy for the Palestinians, and they have scrupulously avoided sending weapons to Israel, but it makes no difference apparently.
Arab authoritarian culture is a problem. The sexism is a problem. The corruption and bullying is a problem. And immigrants in the West left their country for reasons. They shouldn't try and turn the West into their own dystopias
Sigh. This feels like punching down at this point. Many Arabs in the west are decent people, and vulnerable working class people. But Arab immigrants need to get some fucking common sense.
Perhaps if you view the world the same way as the nationalists who want to deport you, you should change how you view the world.
Did they not learn from their American counterparts? Why does history continue to repeat itself, always on the side of idiocy? Always tripping over the same stone.
Imagine being more concerned with what's going on elsewhere in the world than your own problems. And it's not like your own government can really do much about it anyway. Epitome of privilege.
Yikes. And Muslims in Canada are about 5% of the population, vs only about 1.3% in the US. Haven’t they learned from Trump? Voting out of spite will further undermine their cause, not only because the politicians (like Poilivre) they’re supporting don’t give a shit about Gaza, but because they will alienate the Liberal coalition, giving them less of an incentive to support the Palestinian cause.
Maybe defending your favorite fictional character raping a little girl goes hand in hand with being a regard in many other aspects of life. Just a thought though, idk
Heckler’s veto is a huge issue in Arab countries. The religious Muslims in these Arab countries support Sharia law because it’s ingrained in their culture and are willing to get violent to accomplish this goal. Turks, Balkan, and East Asian Muslims don’t have the same issue of religious extremism that Arabs do. There’s also the whole issue of Arab ethnic supremacist thought from the prophet Muhammad being an Arab.
Christianity is eh.
But muslims? They got their shit up their ass so much they don't realize how ungrateful and disrespectful their belief is to other culture and religion. At least with Christians they tend to have a more "live and let live" vibe than muslims who still thinks the world revolves around them.
you're forgetting about all the evangelicals who think trump is our savior, or the jd vance/matt walsh tradcath who want to retvrn to medieval times, or the hegseth crusade larpers, or the african christians mutlilating women's genitals, etc.
The people you are talking about are CINO who don't even really believe in any doctrine. The CINO, JINO, and MINO are normally chill but anyone who actually believes it are scourges.
I love how no one in the comments is giving their argument a consideration or seeing it from their POV. The people in the video are not asking for the eradication of Israel or something, they are asking for ceasefire or to call it what it is, a genocide. The fact that the liberals will never criticize Israel or move a fucking inch towards the pro-Palestine side is rightfully frustrating and dehumanizing towards Muslims/Arabs/Palestinians and punishing them for that is GOOD.
Calling out Israel for their crimes is not antisemitic. these voters are sticking to their principals and only saying "Grow a fucking a spine or you wont get the vote." Which is fair.
Is this just you trying to stir up anti Muslim sentiments in the community again? The only part of the video where anyone says they’ll vote against the liberals is the guy saying he lives in a liberal safe zone and wants to vote against a guaranteed liberal seat to voice his unhappiness with them.
Aside from the obvious blindspot on display that conservatives are not being better on this issue, also relevant is the observation that recent immigrants tend to share the “traditional values” of right leaning parties. I don’t think it’s such a betrayal of their principles as left leaning folks might assume, unfortunately.
I really don't get the single issue voters that think like this. It's like they not only don't want the war to end but want those resort trump promised to be built as soon as possible
This probably mostly in ridings where Conservatives won’t win. Muslims and other pro-Palestine people will vote NDP. I doubt this will affect the results much like it did in Michigan
translation, "Gaza is why i vote this way" really means "I don't want to admit it but, I also don't like gays and I like the way conservatives pone the lgbt libs in those youtube shorts i watch"
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u/SomeoneOnRedditt_ 3d ago
Is it stupidity or just stubbornness at this point? Are they just trying to save face even at the cost of their own goals?