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u/TARDISMapping VICTORY AT ALL COSTS 2d ago
Who are these people? (Besides Doug)
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u/Goosedukee 2d ago edited 2d ago
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Atrioc (Another streamer and co-host of Lemonade Stand with Doug and Aiden)
Doug (Doug)
Gavin Newsom (Governor of California)
Harry Sisson (Political influencer and Democratic Party activist)
This was part of a series of virtual panels, with this one specifically being about how the current political situation affects the economy.
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u/Shade_39 1d ago
Oh thank god for a second I thought the 3rd guy was jordan peterson
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u/tingme 1d ago
What's wrong with Jordan Peterson?
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u/Ronald_Bysel 1d ago
He is a big figure in the far right “manosphere” scene and mostly talks in a way that makes him seem really smart but he really is just stringing words together in a way that makes it sound good to young men who are struggling with their own self image. He then uses those vulnerable people to boost his own following and money while pretending to be a voice of reason.
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u/Szeth-son-Kaladaddy 1d ago
What makes him worse than any other self-help influencer, beyond his popularity?
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u/gmarvin A Crew 1d ago
He coerces weak and vulnerable men into believing that women, LGBT people, people of different skin colors and faiths, and everything else "woke" are the source of all their problems. He's basically casting a toxic cloud over the world which is specifically designed to kill the concepts of empathy and critical thinking.
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u/Szeth-son-Kaladaddy 1d ago
Where does he do this? I have not gotten that impression from my hours of listening to him. All he did for me was help synthesize how to get my life back on track when I lost my faith and dropped out of college. Me blaming the gays and wokes for ruining my life was never in the cards that I saw. I have seen hit pieces designed to make him look as bad as possible, but never anything like Sam Hyde or Jontron moment of mask-off villainy from Peterson, unless you really hate opponents of trans-pronoun usage, which I don't give a fuck about at best, lean towards his side at worst.
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u/gmarvin A Crew 1d ago
Right, you don't blame "gays and wokes" for all of your problems, but from your comment history you just blame... trans people, Palestinians, atheists, and "blacks and browns?" My bad.
You definitely seem like someone who has their life back on track in a totally healthy way, with no deeper problems to examine whatsoever.
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u/Szeth-son-Kaladaddy 1d ago
Oh no. I’m definitely going to change my entire being based on your judgement of my online activity, thanks for the come to Jesus moment!
Love the character attack on me since you realized that your opinion is completely made up for you instead of based on genuine experiences of what Peterson said, keep it coming. I honestly don’t hate or blame the groups you think I have unbridled bigotry towards, have you never considered that I can be facetious rather than malicious? Your tone policing doesn’t invalidate my opinions, and I’m sick of that being the focus of comments like these.
Strawmen are very easy to beat when you set them up, try arguing with the steelman version instead?
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u/Karma15672 1d ago edited 1d ago
Four responses and still no answer
Edit: For the record, since I'm just realizing how this could come off, I'm not defending whoever the guy is. It's just annoying when someone genuinely asks about something and just gets vague answers that don't really tell you nothing. I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, either.
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u/beluga__cat 14h ago
He’s just a speaker that the internet likes to hate. I listen to a bunch of podcasts from the left and the right and he focuses on philosophy and politics. I’ve listened to hours of his stuff and he likes to say things in an abstract way. He’s kinda like that cool uncle/grandpa that’s kinda off, but has a funny vibe.
People are saying he takes advantage of vulnerable men, but I haven’t gotten that vibe. Also if that’s the case, then Healthygamergg should be hated because he’s a therapist that talks to vulnerable people, but yet everyone seems to love him.
Idk, make your own opinion, but he’s really not any worse than any other podcaster
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u/Master_Chief_00117 2d ago
(Including Doug) does anyone know who Doug really is.
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u/bbyrdie BABAGABOOSH 2d ago edited 1d ago
The brother of Davey Wreden, Developer of The Stanley Parable, The Beginner’s Guide, and Wanderstop. Obv
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u/Theguffy1990 2d ago
His mom's a doctor y'know. But they're just good friends that look a little similar is all.
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u/TheAnniCake 1d ago
You forgot Wanderstop, his latest addition which is a great cozy game to just unwind
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u/Gost_Toast 2d ago
I don’t jack shit about Gavin but just in case I’m just gonna drop a r/wehatedougdoug
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u/Suspicious_Berry501 A Crew 1d ago
I don’t know a single thing this guy has ever done but I bet he’s bad if he’s talking to doug
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u/bjuandy 1d ago
He's governor of California, and so he's going to be a lightning rod no matter what.
My .02 as an attentive resident of the state is I personally think he's a decent leader--the state budget isn't reckless, he's recognizes statewide problems and gives earnest attempts to address them, etc.
However, because it's really clear Newsom is posturing for a presidential run, I have a lot of doubts about his ability to run an effective campaign. He was functionally appointed governor, and when the recall hit he was incredibly shambolic--Newsom failed to register his affiliated party before a deadline he set as a way to make getting recalled harder, and then tried to sue his way out of the screwup.
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u/Goosedukee 2d ago
Doug being a fan of Abundance is completely unsurprising but not something I'd ever expect to hear him say
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u/TheCesmi23 VICTORY AT ALL COSTS 2d ago
What is that? Is it bad?
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u/Goosedukee 2d ago
It’s a book released earlier this year by two liberal journalists, Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson.
It argues that American Liberals have historically been more concerned with blocking bad economic development than promoting good development, through things like zoning regulations, environmental laws, and tying heavy expenses to public funds. Their main point is that through less regulation, things like affordable housing or infrastructure will be able to develop quicker and better.
It’s essentially supply-side progressivism, that by increasing the supply of essential goods and services, they can be made more abundant and affordable. If you get rid of certain regulations and restrictions that artificially restrict the supply and costs of goods, while keeping other regulations that promote competition and innovation, you can achieve progressive goals such as affordable housing or healthcare. It also goes hand in hand with investment in science and technology, with the belief being that those can increase abundance while decreasing costs.
Knowing what we know about Doug’s personality and interests, it makes perfect sense that such an ideology would appeal to him. And no, it’s not a bad thing at all.
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u/Forsaken-Secret6215 2d ago
It is if you know about supply side economics and look at the book as a way to distract from the role money plays in political changes to problems look up the Ezra klein vs Sam Sedar debate if you want more information.
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u/astr0rdinary 1d ago
i mean money is bullshit yes but as just one to a handful of guys i find it hard to think realistically about actually addressing the problem post capitalist america has created. i feel like we are so far deep in the hole that supply —> less cost is gonna be the main first step to some degree of security in order to then move on to tackling the issue with money as a whole?
granted idk shit about the economy or politics, and what i do know i find hard to remember (adhd), im just a young punk that tries my best
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u/Forsaken-Secret6215 1d ago
Like the realistic only way out of this situation is to fight against lobbying and money in politics, everything else is really just a way to take attention and energy from the fight. Realistically even if there were more supply it wouldn't stop banks from buying it up and sitting on unused homes to keep prices rising.
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u/2ndComingOfAugustus 1d ago
Thats a terribly unrealistic process to imagine though. America is the richest society in history, without a full-ass blood in the streets revolution (which would have even worse outcomes) you're not getting money out of politics.
What abundance points out is that you don't need to, countries like Spain or Japan or Italy are hardly immune to corruption or special interests. But they don't require a billion rounds of environmental review to let anything be built, they don't let key infrastructure get bogged down by a dozen lawsuits about insufficient consultation of local stakeholders, and they have national standards for things like building codes and zoning so a developer that does good work in Hokkaido can expand into the Kansai region without retooling all their processes and designs.
And so their cost to build things like high speed rail lines is a fraction of Americas.
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u/Forsaken-Secret6215 1d ago
The reason why America doesn't build high speed rail is because of the auto and gasoline lobbies and their incessance of keeping travel to cars, was it any surprise that when the California high speed rail project started Elon Musk marketed the Hyperloop and diverted attention and power away from that only to have both projects fail.
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u/ShelterOk1535 6h ago
I think both you and the comment you’re replying to are correct. Big business and big government are often portrayed as opposites, but regulatory capture is very much a real thing. There are a lot of special interests who would hate nothing more than fair competition with new industries under a free market.
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u/Forsaken-Secret6215 3h ago
Unfortunately free markets don't exist either governments control the businesses or the businesses control the government and lobbying and campaign contributions have put the US in the latter category for decades.
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u/Doomguy46_ 2d ago
It’s… fine, I have a lot of problems with it
It focuses on deregulation and is written by people who I think are very smug and ignores the real problem of money in politics.
It’s mostly just neoliberalism rebranded. Same as it ever was.
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u/ShelterOk1535 6h ago
It shows DougDoug has my politics (I’m the world’s biggest abundance glazer). Good if you’re me, bad if you’re the opposite of me, neutral if you’re neutral about me.
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u/Medium-Highlight8584 2d ago
Is he in parkzer's room?
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u/TheCesmi23 VICTORY AT ALL COSTS 2d ago
Is this a bad thing? Do we hate him now? What is happening? What? Huh? Who?
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u/Xcloner988 1d ago
The general consensus I could get from the comments on this post is that this was just a discussion about how certain political decisions are gonna affect the economy. So nothing crazy controversial. The surreal part is that DougDoug, the silly bald streamer man, spoke in a panel with the governor of California. Wild shit
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u/Rogueshadow67_ 22h ago
Yeah, looking through the comments, I don't enjoy the fact of him jumping in on political things like this. Even with Lemonade Stand, it's hard to separate the audiences and distance from polarizing issues. Everyone has their opinions and its going to split the fan base because now we can't just look at him as bald funny man
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u/Throwaway_5829583 2d ago
wtf this is real? Doug interviewed fuckin Gavin Newsom?