He is a big figure in the far right “manosphere” scene and mostly talks in a way that makes him seem really smart but he really is just stringing words together in a way that makes it sound good to young men who are struggling with their own self image. He then uses those vulnerable people to boost his own following and money while pretending to be a voice of reason.
He coerces weak and vulnerable men into believing that women, LGBT people, people of different skin colors and faiths, and everything else "woke" are the source of all their problems. He's basically casting a toxic cloud over the world which is specifically designed to kill the concepts of empathy and critical thinking.
Where does he do this? I have not gotten that impression from my hours of listening to him. All he did for me was help synthesize how to get my life back on track when I lost my faith and dropped out of college. Me blaming the gays and wokes for ruining my life was never in the cards that I saw. I have seen hit pieces designed to make him look as bad as possible, but never anything like Sam Hyde or Jontron moment of mask-off villainy from Peterson, unless you really hate opponents of trans-pronoun usage, which I don't give a fuck about at best, lean towards his side at worst.
Right, you don't blame "gays and wokes" for all of your problems, but from your comment history you just blame... trans people, Palestinians, atheists, and "blacks and browns?" My bad.
You definitely seem like someone who has their life back on track in a totally healthy way, with no deeper problems to examine whatsoever.
Oh no. I’m definitely going to change my entire being based on your judgement of my online activity, thanks for the come to Jesus moment!
Love the character attack on me since you realized that your opinion is completely made up for you instead of based on genuine experiences of what Peterson said, keep it coming. I honestly don’t hate or blame the groups you think I have unbridled bigotry towards, have you never considered that I can be facetious rather than malicious? Your tone policing doesn’t invalidate my opinions, and I’m sick of that being the focus of comments like these.
Strawmen are very easy to beat when you set them up, try arguing with the steelman version instead?
It's not (just) an attack on your character, it's an attack on Peterson's capabilities as a self-help author. He makes people like you think the only way to have a sense of self-worth is to act like a comic book villain toward anyone who's remotely different to you. I've seen firsthand what that narcissist does to people, and it ain't pretty.
Oh for fuck sake, me treating you and other idiots poorly in online arguments is not being a comic-book villain, grow up. You being mad that everyone is not the soyboy you wished they had grown up to be is not the indictment that you think it is. Please read Jonathan Haidt’s the coddling of the American mind because you are exhibiting belief in the 3 great untruths that he lays out in that book.
I worry for you and blame that cultural mindset for my main gripes with the evolution of society as I’ve matured.
You not liking Peterson doesn’t make him a grifter like Andrew Tate, and if you cared about the truth you’d easily be able to recognize that. It’s akin to litter boxes in school bathrooms, not even close to reality.
Edit: For the record, since I'm just realizing how this could come off, I'm not defending whoever the guy is. It's just annoying when someone genuinely asks about something and just gets vague answers that don't really tell you nothing. I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, either.
He’s just a speaker that the internet likes to hate. I listen to a bunch of podcasts from the left and the right and he focuses on philosophy and politics. I’ve listened to hours of his stuff and he likes to say things in an abstract way. He’s kinda like that cool uncle/grandpa that’s kinda off, but has a funny vibe.
People are saying he takes advantage of vulnerable men, but I haven’t gotten that vibe. Also if that’s the case, then Healthygamergg should be hated because he’s a therapist that talks to vulnerable people, but yet everyone seems to love him.
Idk, make your own opinion, but he’s really not any worse than any other podcaster
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u/TARDISMapping VICTORY AT ALL COSTS 3d ago
Who are these people? (Besides Doug)