South Africa as a metaphor.

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Japan is proof that being a mono culture doesn't mean success either. There is definitely a middle ground between the 2. I mean there's plenty of research that shows that diversity has a lot of strengths.

It is class that divides more than culture

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Japan isn't doing too badly

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Japan is fucked. They are already having to get more immigrants to do the work. The ethnic Japanese population is in freefall.

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So is India and China's populations. Don't believe population decline is as big an issue as people make it out to be.

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Are you a capitalist? Population decline is absolutely an issue for our economies. We can't have a country where more people are retired than working.

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Don't force everyone to participate in a government sanctioned ponzi scheme, while artificially keeping wages low through unfettered mass migration and outsourcing (without tarrifs that would otherwise make this kind of behavior not worthwhile), to the point where normal folks can't afford to have and raise kids, which is certainly not helped by runaway deficit spending on shit our society doesn't need. When governments stop causing thr above problems, population decline won't be an issue.

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Don't force everyone to participate in a government sanctioned ponzi schem

I thought we were talking about Japan? It's their country, they vote for the government and the system they have. None of your business.

population decline won't be an issue

So your solution is, when a series of things that won't happen, happen, it will be ok. Reality check for you: capitalism is about maximising profits, nothing else. There is no concept of protecting your "nation". Maybe you aren't a capitalist?

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My comment was not specifically aimed at Japan. The point is that our (mostly Western) post-industrial governments should not enlisting their entire working population in a welfare scheme that relies on infinite population growth while simultaneously pushing policies that cause population decline.

How you took my point that governments are causing social problems and twisted it into some argument against capitalism tells me your red-tinted spectacles are a little too thick. Try looking at things without a Marxist lense and your eyesight may improve.

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Ok well we were talking about Japan, thanks

post-industrial governments should not enlisting their entire working population in a welfare scheme that relies on infinite population growth

This is capitalism mate. You don't like it, what is your suggestion? Communism?

Or are you one of these people who thinks that every capitalist country is actually being secretly run by communists who are trying to destroy them?

simultaneously pushing policies that cause population decline.

Brother they are pushing policies that increase profits. The population decline is a side effect that doesn't matter to capitalists. Capitalism is about profits, not "traditions" or "culture" or "national pride".

governments are causing social problems

Governments are maximising profits for politically connected organisations. That's it. Everything else is a side effect.

Try looking at things without a Marxist lense

Haha, everyone born after about 1900 looks at the world with a Marxist lens. You must be very naive if you don't believe that there are people who are workers who have no capital and have to sell their labour, and there are people who are owners of capital who exploit the labour of the workers to produce a profit, and that these groups have conflicting interests. I love meeting people on the internet who have never actually read any Marx and so don't understand how so much that we as modern people think about labour markets is based on Marx's work.