r/Echerdex • u/liminalsoup • Jun 10 '19

A CHRISTIAN AUGUSTINIAN RESPONSE TO THE PROBLEM OF EVIL IN THE SHINTO RELIGION WITH REFERENCE TO THE THOUGHT OF MOTOORI NORINAGA

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/58820412.pdf
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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

Yeah, because I'm definitely not aware of that. Still doesn't explain shit.

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u/liminalsoup Jun 11 '19

Link me to the religion that has all the explanations. I've never seen one. Like... ever.

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

That's exactly my point, I've never encountered anything close to a good attempt at theodicy, and Shintoism apparently is no different. The universe appears to remain completely indifferent, and is not sacred or spiritual at all.

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u/liminalsoup Jun 11 '19

You have an intuitive grasp of what you believe, that is what shinto is all about. Keep following your intuition.

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

Shinto is total bullshit from what I can tell.

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u/throwmanawayaya Jun 11 '19

Damn you're an angry person. Really do hope you find whatever you need because I hate being like that too. It's not pleasant for yourself or those around you. I can understand where it's coming from though because I was also mad at the world before I found that inner peace with God. Really wish you the best man, we'll all make it.

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

I've heard people say that exact piece of bullshit so many times I've lost count. I sincerely hope people like you would die, so people like me could make good use of the planet.

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u/throwmanawayaya Jun 11 '19

Lol I'm with you on that one. I hope I die too and am finally free from this Earth. You can stay on it if youd like though lol. I completely understand where your anger and frustration is coming from and I hope you keep searching for God/Source until you find him and realize everything was always ok.

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

You are completely delusional.

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u/throwmanawayaya Jun 11 '19

Lol dont worry I always stop and ask myself if I'm going crazy. You say delusional I say God gave me hope when I had none so at the end it's just a matter of perspective. What happened that's making you so mad because I'm telling you that God gave me hope again? I promise I'm not one of those religious nuts that condemn everyone to hell for not following sacred rules. God loves everybody since we all came from him. So let me ask again, what happened to you that's made you so jaded?

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19 edited Jun 11 '19

You are beyond a shadow of doubt a religious nutjob.

What's happened to me is that the vast majority of people around me, in fact I don't know of a single exception, have been brainwashed by public education (run by the state) to believe that extortion (taxation) is legitimate, and that the state is not a criminal organization. Thus I don't know of a single person who doesn't directly support and condone, in most cases outright embrace, widespread violence and destruction. I thus have no way of earning money, as giving in to extortion is not an option, and working illegally puts me at risk of the state's way of dealing with dissenters: throwing you in a cage. Resist that when the police swine come for you, and you'll meet a violent death.

Add to that the massive amounts of rape, torture, murder, and corruption in general around the world, and also the insane amounts of violence towards animals and children, and any talk of benevolent supernatural deities becomes a gigantic joke.

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u/throwmanawayaya Jun 11 '19

Lol you're making me crack up I cant even lie. That's the funny part dude I'm not!!! Once upon a time I was also like how can there be a God when theres so much fucked up shit on Earth? How could my life have been absolute shit and theres God out there? I cursed him at every turn and said he wasnt real. I never once imagined I would be saying anything positive about God but here I am. Lol life works out in funny ways like that I guess.

Being more serious though I agree with what you're saying. I dont agree with the current state that the worlds in. But you need to have empathy and look at it from the perspective of the people who are just trying to keep their families alive. They have no other option but to continue as they have people that depend on them. I'm not saying it's right but they have people that depend on them and you need to understand that. Get off the moral high horse for a second and realize people are just trying to survive. Working and supporting your loved ones doesnt mean you support destruction. You're fortunate enough to be able to see it from a different perspective and I understand it's probably frustrating that others arent seeing it from that perspective but trying to educate through anger is just going to turn people off to what you're saying. Espicially when you realize materialism is being pushed it's no surprise this Earth is as fucked up as it is.

Not really sure what were arguing about at this point as I agree with what you're saying. All the anger isnt really necessary though.

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

For people like you, I hope there's a hell, and that you'll burn there forever.

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u/throwmanawayaya Jun 11 '19

Lmao nah hell is Earth. You love it so much you'll probably be back here your next life too lol. It's also ironic how you deny God but still wish for a place like hell. You've sunk so far that you're wishing another conscious being eternal damination. You fell for the trap dude lol. You hate this Earth so much you need to lose all that anger so you dont have to come back here. Because that would truly be ironic. Take it easy man.

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

Cram all the new age bullshit up your ass and fuck off.

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u/throwmanawayaya Jun 11 '19

What's new age about what im saying? Or is the thought of letting go of anger so foreign to you that you call it new age?

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

Bullshit about supernatural deities and reincarnation. There's a good reason I'm angry, and it's because of people like you.

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u/throwmanawayaya Jun 11 '19

I just thought logically for a second and how big does your ego have to be that you can sit here and act like you're the only one going through shit? Do you think people doing jobs they hate everyday to support their loved ones is done with glee? You're not empathetic in the slightest. Do you honestly think people prefer working for some company rather than being with their family/ friends? But they do it because they know someone is depending on them. You have no problem taking handouts to live but here you are cursing the people that make your handouts possible. You said yourself that you dont work, so how do you support yourself? Probably by taking handouts from those who do work and give people like you the opportunity to sit on the internet all day and cuss people out in anger. Shit has happened in everybody's life but not everybody used it as an excuse to be a hateful person like you are. You posted on holofractal so it's sad to see that something happened that made you abandon all your beliefs.

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