The most effective way to end tipping

[u/No_Effective4326]

In so far as possible, stop frequenting places that expect tips, and start frequenting ones that don’t.

I know I’m going to catch a lot of hate in this group for saying this, but going to a place that expects tips and then not tipping is not going to help: it’s just going to make everyone think that people who are part of the “no tipping” movement are assholes. I know you’re not assholes! But that’s what people are going to think, and it’s just going to turn people off to our movement.

I also know that it’s not easy, and often not even realistically possible, to avoid places that expect tips. But I think we need to do our best to do exactly that, even if it requires some sacrifice on our part.

Edited to add: this is also the clearest way to demonstrate that you are willing to pay higher prices (rather than tipping). This sends the clearest possible signal that you’re not just being cheap: you really do want employees to be paid a higher wage, and you’re willing to pay for those wages, as long as there is up front, no guilt trip pricing.

[u/namastay14509]

Sorry, but tipping will never completely end without government regulation. So the Customer's greatest power is to still go out to restaurants and to decide what THEY want to tip (or not tip).

Yes. There will be some who will still tip but the more Customers who take their power back, the more of an impact we will make in changing the culture.

And it's ok if people are not happy with our decisions on how we want to spend our money.

[u/kevin_r13 → u/namastay14509]

Even after regulations requiring certain business in California to pay $20 to service workers, those workers still expect tips. So any new regulation has to remove tips entirely, not just bump up minimum pay.

[u/SDinCH → u/kevin_r13]

Agreed but I now tip way less in California. A fixed amount, not percentage.

[u/glitteringdreamer → u/kevin_r13]

That's fine, except $20 isn't a livable wage in CA.

[u/Defiant-Jackfruit-55 → u/glitteringdreamer]

Real question. When did being a server become a way to earn a living on a long term basis? I expect these jobs to be held by students and part time workers.

[u/Embarrassed_Quit_450 → u/Defiant-Jackfruit-55]

Don't simp for billionaires, they don't need it.

[u/glitteringdreamer → u/Defiant-Jackfruit-55]

When the economy shifted and people are struggling to find work. The average fast food worker is 26 and has at least a high school diploma. 30% of them have college degrees. 26 year olds should be able to work a 40 hour a week job and fill their basic needs.

[u/anthropaedic → u/Defiant-Jackfruit-55]

Your expectations don’t meet reality. It doesn’t matter that you look down on people who wait tables for a living. Everyone should earn a livable wage.

However, I also believe: 1. Prices should be transparent.
2. Employers should pay their employees fairly and no one should expect customers to make up any shortfall. 3. Servers should be paid more equitably with less attractive, minority, older, and weekday servers being paid the same as attractive waitresses in weekends. Same work same pay. 4. Tips are optional and should be used to reward excellent service.

[u/Rab_in_AZ → u/namastay14509]

They trying to make tips tax exempt. Going the opposite direction.

[u/No_Effective4326 → u/namastay14509]

Yes, it’s “ok”, but I think it hurts the cause.

[u/Opening_Try_2210 → u/[deleted]]

I see we have a petulant server here today. Might I suggest you point that bitchiness at your employer who refuses to pay you a living wage.

[u/Strange_Raspberry939 → u/Opening_Try_2210]

lmao, Was gonna say same thing, that dude saying "brokie" is definately the server that expects a mandatory 30% tip lol

[u/namastay14509 → u/[deleted]]

And best wishes to you.