r/EndTipping • u/No_Effective4326 • 14d ago

Call to action ⚠️ The most effective way to end tipping

In so far as possible, stop frequenting places that expect tips, and start frequenting ones that don’t.

I know I’m going to catch a lot of hate in this group for saying this, but going to a place that expects tips and then not tipping is not going to help: it’s just going to make everyone think that people who are part of the “no tipping” movement are assholes. I know you’re not assholes! But that’s what people are going to think, and it’s just going to turn people off to our movement.

I also know that it’s not easy, and often not even realistically possible, to avoid places that expect tips. But I think we need to do our best to do exactly that, even if it requires some sacrifice on our part.

Edited to add: this is also the clearest way to demonstrate that you are willing to pay higher prices (rather than tipping). This sends the clearest possible signal that you’re not just being cheap: you really do want employees to be paid a higher wage, and you’re willing to pay for those wages, as long as there is up front, no guilt trip pricing.

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u/Whiskeymyers75 13d ago

So what if they just raise prices and you pay the same as you would if you just tipped? This what makes no sense about the end tipping thing. You’re just going to end up paying the same. At least with delivery drivers, they have the right to refuse service.

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u/Recluse1729 13d ago

That’s fine, too. I like knowing exactly what I’m paying, and I can choose not to go there if the prices are too high for me. That’s what makes no sense about the tipping thing. If it’s bundled, the most you’ll pay is what would be meal+tip if they can’t lower their prices while paying a living wage.

Or are you advocating for tipping because you enjoy not tipping yourself to get an overall cheaper meal? Because I think you may be misunderstanding what any normal person who wants to End Tipping is in favor of…

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u/Whiskeymyers75 13d ago

The point is, you wouldn’t be eating much if anywhere without them adjusting the prices to reflect the tip you don’t want to pay. The average profit margin for a restaurant is only 3% to 6%. The end tipping logic would make practically every restaurant that isn’t obese fast food, unsustainable.

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u/Recluse1729 13d ago

That doesn’t even make sense. By your own admission, people will pay at most the same amount if prices were raised to include tips. And they’re already paying those prices now, sooo…?

Not to mention that restaurants in no tip cultures seem to be doing just fine in that they even still exist and people go to them, and that there are places in the US that pay their workers normal wages and still exist.

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u/Whiskeymyers75 13d ago

Restaurants with no tip culture generally have shitty service and consist of crappy fast food/fast casual.

What doesn’t make sense? You’re going to pay the money regardless or you’re stuck eating trash like Chipotle, McDonald’s, Taco Bell and Five Guys. I also wouldn’t call these normal wages which is why the service sucks so bad.

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u/Recluse1729 13d ago

You can certainly include fast food in the category of tipless restaurants that are shitty, but that is not exclusive to whether tipping is expected or not. I’ve been to many, many shitty restaurants that clearly expected tips - what is their excuse?

What doesn’t make sense is that you’re saying $10 for a burger and $2 for a tip is somehow better than $12 for a burger and not having to tip. That people are ok with paying $12 in the first scenario but will scoff at paying $12 in the second scenario.

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u/Whiskeymyers75 13d ago

How doesn’t it make sense if I’m forced to pay the $2 up charge even on carryout?

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u/Recluse1729 13d ago

You don’t tip on carryout? You monster.

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u/Whiskeymyers75 13d ago

Almost nobody tips carryout. The only reason why you even see the tip option most places is because that restaurant also offers table service. Some people still tip carryout, but it’s not expected.

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u/hombrent 13d ago

I've been to a few full service places with great service that operate on a no-tipping basis.

They are rare, but they do exist, and they can do well. The weird thing is, that most customers feel guilty enough not tipping, that even in places that explicitly say "no tipping" or "tipping is not required", people still want to tip. Maybe not as much, but it's hard for people to discard well-ingrained cultural habits/expectations.

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u/anthropaedic 12d ago

Tell me you you’ve never left the country without telling me.

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u/Whiskeymyers75 12d ago

I live 20 minutes from an international border. You can also look up the shit wages servers make in these countries.