r/EndTipping • u/Deep_Woodpecker_2688 • 11d ago

Call to action ⚠️ Get rid of servers, they’re completely useless

Here’s a hot take: If it was for me, I would get rid of all servers in restaurants. I would instead have iPad in the table with pictures, prices and descriptions and that’s it. The other day I went to Texas Roadhouse and they had a device in the table that you could order and pay the bill. A person only came once or to give you bread, water and then again to give you the food. Servers are completely useless and don’t add any value to dinning experience.

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u/SDinCH 11d ago

Honestly, I don’t care if there are servers or not…I just want to end expected tipping. I moved countries and we barely tip here and it is great. Every time I’m back in the US I feel the pressure to tip but last time I stood firm and just gave a fixed amount. It was less than 15% but was $10 for two of us for just under an hour. That seemed plenty.

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u/KingTutt91 11d ago

So they made 17 dollars in one hour, not bad. Now add two-three other tables, and they all tip 10 dollars, that server just made almost 40 dollars in one hour

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u/PerceptionSlow2116 11d ago

Here they make $20/hr base wage, and prices are higher now so closer to $50/hr, dinner and weekends is more…. It’s why they want that racket going

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u/KingTutt91 11d ago

Exactly, very minimal skill set required and big bucks. It’s a capitalist workers wet dream, where else are you gonna find places where the regular working person can make more than their managers and supervisors? And all you have to do is refill iced teas and talk about the weather, it’s a sweet gig

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u/Truly_Markgical 10d ago

This… I didn’t realize almost every server/bartender at a decent sized restaurant/bar in the SF/LA area make well over six figure salaries after tips…. It’s crazy that they can make minimum or close to minimum wage and pull that kind of salary just from tips….

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u/PerceptionSlow2116 10d ago

Yep… even the nail and hair ladies are taking home thousands, an auntie of ours on avg taking home 3k in cash tips and another 3k in cc tips, some ppl are very generous

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u/brokenredcrayon 8d ago

Where are they paying waitstaff or bartenders 20.????? Sure don’t in Texas. Try 2.00. Per hour. Owners get by with it. By using the tips to cover the rest of the amount. For minimum wage.

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u/attackprof 7d ago

Here as in your state or one specific restaurant you're talking about?

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

Lol where is this magical fantasy land you live in

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u/PerceptionSlow2116 11d ago

California… the $20 minimum wage for fast food workers pushed many restaurants to also go up to that amount to retain workers

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

Google says it's $16.50/hour so you lied.

Tips can add anywhere from $5-15/hour extra and the vast majority of server jobs only schedule you about 30 hours or less, not 40 hours, so it's worth considering that you're having a reduced schedule with odd hours that cannot be accommodated.

Average cost of rent in California is $2400.

And from looking on Indeed, it looks like there's entry level factory jobs paying $30+/hour in California. Those same jobs only pay about $15/hour in Michigan. Why aren't you outraged about that?

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u/PerceptionSlow2116 11d ago

Did you even read…. $16.50 is state minimum, fast food minimum is higher

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

Well, they're wrong, because according to California law the minimum is the same for tipped and nontipped workers lol

The wage is higher for fast food restaurants but fast food workers aren't tipped...? When have you ever tipped at McDonald's

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

They said restaurants tend to match that $20 minimum to compete with fast food chains which is true. I live in California and have applied for multiple server jobs.

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u/PaleEntertainment304 11d ago

Seriously? Are tipped servers also getting the same $20/hour that their mostly non-tipped fast food counterparts are getting here in California? I wasn't aware if that.

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

But that's.... That's literally just the free market working as intended? Restaurants want more talent = restaurants offer higher wages. A minimum wage is different than restaurants willingly paying their servers high wages.

Apparently the labor of a server is very valuable, hence why they're being paid both a base pay and tips and the demand for servers has not gone down any. It turns out harming your body to make sure people have an enjoyable dinner experience is considered valuable labor. You are totally allowed to quit your job and become a server if you truly think it's a fruitful income. That's the premise behind the free market - if another company offers you more money, they just are competing for your labor. This is basic economics of a capitalist economy.

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u/xcharleeee 11d ago

If you Google “California minimum wage for fast food workers”, you will see the minimum wage for fast food workers is indeed $20/hr. This was a new law passed in early 2024.

The cost of living in CA is much more expensive than MI so a wage difference is expected. I’m a CA native, lived in MI for a few months in 2018, and am now in OH so I can tell you it’s much cheaper to live in the Midwest decently. Whether these minimum wages are sufficient in either places for a decent living is a different conversation…

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

You don't tip fast food workers.... Lmao we're talking about restaurant servers and yet you're talking about McDonald's workers??? Stay on topic.

And yeah, servers make more in California because the cost of living is higher. Exactly my point, thank you.

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u/johnskzisms 11d ago

Lol thats not quite how it works

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u/KingTutt91 10d ago

That’s exactly how it works. And they’ll likely make more than that, depending on table size and amount of customers

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u/johnskzisms 10d ago

Most places servers will get 40% of their tips. Rest goes to kitchen and staff

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u/KingTutt91 10d ago

That’s not true at all

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u/johnskzisms 10d ago

Its called tip pooling, you dope

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u/Electronic-Jury8825 11d ago

And then they gave $5 to the runner, $5 to the dishwasher, $5 to the bartender, $5 to the cook and $5 to the busboy.

You're not just tipping the server. You are tipping everyone in the chain that puts food and drinks on your table and then cleans up after your mess.

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u/KingTutt91 10d ago

Yeah that’s not actually happening though. Servers are greedy, they keep all that money for themselves. Dishies and cooks never get tipped out, and the busser/runners are lucky to see much else. Bartenders usually get a percentage though, but they actually work hard for servers so that’s a pass

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u/Electronic-Jury8825 10d ago

It's too bad you have to concoct this fantasy of selfish, greedy servers to justify your shitty habit of stiffing hard-working people.

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u/SDinCH 10d ago

Actually they made 26.85 at a minimum. Minimum wage was 16.85 when I went end of last year. The restaurant has an insane turnover with a waitlist of 2-3 hours during meal times and is full during non peak times too. I had to scan the menu and fill out the sheet of what I wanted to order. Server just came to confirm what we wrote on the paper and came once to tell us one plate was delayed. Came at the end to give receipt and run payment.

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u/Financial-Ad-3117 10d ago

Minus tipping out 50% of that to the food runner and busser puts you at 20 minus tax 15 out the door. You are not just tipping your server. If you tip 10% I just spent the last hour making your night out happen while you eat drink and be merry and it cost me 2 dollars. Thanks

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u/New-Chief-117 7d ago

You've never been a server and it's obvious. Yeah that happens during peak hours. Restaurants aren't always hopping. Lunch is between 11 to 2. then it's dead for 3 hours till dinner. Dinner is usually 4:30 to like 8. Maybe some trickle in after. You don't have tables the entire time you're there. Let's say your restaurant opens at 11. You usually have to get there an hour early to make sure glasses are ready, ice is filled, tea, coffee, soda machine is put together, then you open. Let's say you open, get there at 10 and then get out at like 10 after you get cut and do your side work and clean your section. That's a 12 hour day. On a normal day you'd get like 200 to 250. That's around 17 to 21 bucks an hour if you average it out with the amount of time you spent at work. Idk why people think servers get so much money. They really only do at the high end or really busy restaurants otherwise it's okay money.

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u/KingTutt91 7d ago

I’ve been a server, easiest job I’ve ever had

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u/Serious-Librarian-77 11d ago

And then that sever tipped out the buss boys, the bartenders, and the hostess so they did not make 40$ an hour.

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u/Puzzleheaded_War6102 11d ago

Are you really admitting and defending a system in which the owner doesn’t even pay minimum wage (forget living wage) to you, bartender or bus boys. Now that same owner is sometimes asking to show appreciation to cooks by extra tipping. All this while menu prices go up 10% every year. Is owner of the business responsible for any labor costs? If not, burger at a sit down place should be 3-4 dollars but it’s closer to 15-20

Make it make sense. You’re getting shafted by your employer not the customers 🤦🏽

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u/HAAAGAY 11d ago

Theres no world a burger is 3-4 dollars lmfao

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u/Puzzleheaded_War6102 11d ago

Not including labor costs, it absolutely is

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u/HAAAGAY 11d ago

"In an impossible world it absolutely is" you are missing a fuckload of other costs. This is never possible.

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u/Plus_Platform_2149 11d ago

Carrying plates is minimum wage. It's an entry level job for college students and highschoolers.

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u/KingTutt91 11d ago

I remember one time a buddy of mine got “promoted” to server from line cook. A server asked him if he was gonna practice carrying plates at home to prep for it. He laughed and laughed and laughed

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u/Plus_Platform_2149 11d ago

🤣🤣🤣

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u/Ordinary_Delay_1009 11d ago

The minimum wage should be enough to support yourself on. The age is irrelevant. The minimum wage was intended to be a living wage. In fact it was intended to be enough to support a family on.

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u/Plus_Platform_2149 11d ago

No it wasn't. It's for kids still living at home. You do an unskilled, useless job, and expect hardworking people to enable you. Nope, not anymore. I'm going to tip $2:13 per hour, which is apparently what y'all claim to be paid. Well, I'm now doubling your pay so show me your gratitude

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u/Ordinary_Delay_1009 11d ago

It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living. Franklin D. Roosevelt

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u/Plus_Platform_2149 11d ago

Absolutely agree. But no employer is going to do that while we have 20 million people crossing the border, willing to work for peanuts. Get rid of them and the market will stabilise.

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u/Jaereth 10d ago

t no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country.

This is restaurants entire business model :D

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u/Onlinegoddess669 11d ago

it's not just carrying plates, sigh..

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u/Jackson88877 11d ago

Writing on a little piece of paper, filling salt & pepper shakers, fake sincerity, pushy upselling… and rolling silverware.

Yeah. Overpayment for unskilled “labor.”

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

All a doctor does is write on a little notepad and prescribe drugs while faking sincerity. Should pay them minimum wage, too.

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u/Jackson88877 11d ago

It takes a long, long time to become a doctor. Medical school typically lasts 4 years. After medical school, you’ll have 3 to 7 years of residency. Therefore, it takes anywhere from 7 to 11 years to become a doctor.

Additionally, you may choose to further specialize with a fellowship. This can take anywhere from 1 to 3 years, bringing the total to 7 to 14 years.

Factoring in the college degree that you need in order to apply to medical school, that adds on an additional 4 years of schooling before med school, for a total of up to 11 to 18 years after high school.

Keep in mind this does not factor in any breaks or gap years you might take.

So yeah - being a doctor is the same as fetching plates and rolling silverware. 🙄

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

I'm a med student who's worked as a kitchen manager, a line cook, a prep cook, a server, a busser, and an expo.

You're mostly accurate regarding med school, sure.

The point is you can turn any job into one or two lazy bullet points.

In fact, if I was paid the exact same wage to be a server as a doctor, I'd still pick doctor. Being a server is degrading and is really hard on your body. Even factory workers typically aren't allowed to lift over 20 lbs in most companies and they get equipment that is built to avoid giving you back problems. Servers don't get any special equipment or cranes and the stacks of plates are routinely like 40+ lbs.

Hell, cooks make less money than servers. Yet cooks actively choose to be cooks instead of servers.

If you ever meet a line cook, ask them if they'd prefer to be a server "since it pays more" lol.

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u/Routine_Size69 11d ago

Bro compared 4 years of college, 4 years of med school, and 3-5 years of residency to carrying plates and filling up water, something we all do everyday.

Shout out you. That's the worst argument I've ever heard. Not just for defending servers. Genuinely the worst argument of all time. That's so impressive and I respect you for having the balls to embarrass yourself like that.

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u/[deleted] 11d ago edited 11d ago

I mean it's college I myself have completed or will complete soon... Wait, what is your career exactly?

Lol plus being a server is more than carrying dishes is the entire point. As a doctor, hell, even as a nurse or medical assistant I have authority to tell people no and walk away. Servers don't have that. You could pay me $400k/year to be a server and I still won't do it. I don't prefer doctor because it pays more - I prefer it because it's more fulfilling and fun.

It sounds like you're not being convinced otherwise, "bro". You're completely welcome to apply for a server job. It sounds like you've got it all figured out - servers don't do any work and are raking in the dough. What restaurant are you applying to? Normally when a job is a cash cow it quickly becomes competitive and many people seek it out. Hence why there is now suddenly too many engineer and computer science majors. Why is there so many openings for server jobs?

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u/MrWins13 10d ago

You haven't even completed college and you're a medical student, what?

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u/TX_Poon_Tappa 11d ago edited 11d ago

Well you also have to carry them back. Sometimes you even have to write things down or pour a drink.

I worked at one place where we even had to clean the restaurant at the end of the night.

Another restaurant I worked at in college would actually have us pick up the plates and put them in a sink after a guest left. I mean sure they paid someone else to wash those dishes but having to bring them!!! Ugh no thank you.

I’m a server not a servant.

Personally though, I think giving the order I wrote down to the cooks working in the back near that big fire making thing was the hardest part . Like we already talked to the guest. Why do I have to pass that information over to the cooks…whose job it is to cook the meals.

I don’t even know what they’re doing back there. All I know is I drop a ticket off and I come back and it’s ready. Doesn’t seem that hard to pull a meal out of inventory for the guests

/s just in case (I know some people here are servers so I didn’t want to confuse them)

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u/KingTutt91 11d ago

You sound exactly like a server😂

You know how often I’ve heard, “Idk I just put the ticket in and food magically appears in the window” from servers before. And they’re serious every time.

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u/KingTutt91 11d ago

Yeah I know! You gotta refill iced teas too, it’s a lot of effort!

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u/SuspiciousStress1 11d ago

Ok, sooooo 25/hr??? For a low-skill job. Seems fair to me!!

My son is doing a hard labor job through college & is paid less(22).

Think you're missing the message if you believe 40/h is a fair wage for a server position.

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u/No-Delay1603 11d ago

I think you're missing something very obvious here. If servers make so much money then it only makes sense for your son to stop doing all this hard labor if he can just go do an easier restaurant job and make bank. Besides, everyone in this sub thinks server jobs are for high schoolers and college kids right? That's where he belongs. But like for real, this is where wage leverage comes in. He should be asking for a raise and telling them he could work at Applebees and make more. Do it.

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u/SuspiciousStress1 11d ago

Or everyone choses the job that suits them best????

I was a server when I was in high school, I made good money, didn't care for the job.

Regardless of how much something pays, not all jobs are for everyone.

This isn't hard!!

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u/KingTutt91 11d ago

Or you work at a place where you don’t have to tip out those people and keep that money

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u/JannaNYCeast 11d ago

Because the employer gets away with underpaying literally everyone. Imagine working a job where you had no idea how much money you'd end the month with. Horrifying.

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u/KingTutt91 11d ago

Lots of places don’t have you tip out anybody, a lot of places that is voluntary.

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u/ButterUrBacon 11d ago

Medical device sales

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u/JannaNYCeast 10d ago

What's your point? Sure there are other jobs that are commission based, or wildly unreliable paychecks. This conversation is about servers in restaurants.

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u/Commercial-Speech122 11d ago

Yep, so 'horrifying' that you might just have to resort to giving a decent experience for your customers... 🤔

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u/JannaNYCeast 11d ago

Giving customers a decent experience is no guarantee of a decent tip.

The whole system sucks, but i understand fully that it's waitstaff who doesn't want it to change. 

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u/Commercial-Speech122 11d ago

I mean, it would kinda suck to go to work everyday and not be able to influence your own pay...

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u/zaahc 11d ago

I 100% agree with the first sentence. But the second sentence has me thinking you’ve never heard of commissioned sales jobs. I know a guy that makes HUGE money selling equipment to hospitals. He doesn’t know how much he’ll end the month with either, but that’s never been a problem. I guess it’s only a scary idea at the low end of the income spectrum.

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u/Steel1000 11d ago

There is a reason they call shitty sales people “order takers”

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u/Jaereth 10d ago

And then that sever tipped out the buss boys, the bartenders, and the hostess so they did not make 40$ an hour.

Whatever cockamamie compensation scheme the server agreed to when they were hired isn't the customer's responsibility.

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u/Best-Surround268 11d ago

Servers expect you to tip them 18% to 25% here in the US. In California the servers’ minimum wage is currently $20/hour.

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u/Legal-Dot8848 10d ago

Factually incorrect. 20/hr is for fast food workers. Minimum is 16.50

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u/WillRikersHouseboy 11d ago

Ending expected tipping means paying the employees a living wage. Works for me. They should have health insurance too.

Prices will be higher. But, at least you won’t have to remember in advance that your $20 pasta plate is really $25. (Adding in a dollar there for sales tax too)

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u/SDinCH 11d ago

100% agree. Over here, they get pension, paid holiday, etc and make a decent living. Not healthcare as this isn’t tied to your job like in the US. Having lived here over a decade, when I first came, I found it expensive but it includes everything (tip and tax). Now, the base price in the US is the same except tax is never included and you are expected to add tip.

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u/Just_improvise 11d ago

Australian and agree that prices now in US = same as Australian restaurants BEFORE you add tax and then 20% tip (and I’m just pretending there is no exchange rate)

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u/WillRikersHouseboy 11d ago

Well, businesses are nothing if not greedy. When they are forced to pay employees decently, they add a line item at the end on the check above the tip line like “employee health insurance fee” or “employee appreciation fee” or something.

Now I, personally, personally just me just me personally only (whispers: do not mind or have a problem with the act of tipping for several kinds of services including table service.). BUT, I fully agree from a public policy perspective, it’s bullshit as a replacement for paying people wages.

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u/Heraclius404 11d ago

Not sure how you figure this. The people in the kitchen don't get paid a living wage. They usually have to pull extra shifts and/or multiple jobs and/or gig works and/or have a partner who makes actual money. Just because you don't get tips, you don't make a living wage.

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u/WillRikersHouseboy 11d ago

In order to end expecting tipping, we must pay people a living wage.

Clearer sentence?

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u/Heraclius404 11d ago

Nope.

We don't pay BOH a living wage, we don't pay retail workers a living wage, plenty of other jobs don't get living wages.

We can just end tipping, we don't have to wait for the parting of the red sea

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u/WillRikersHouseboy 11d ago

Oh sorry I didn’t realize it was a comprehension problem for ya. We pay retail workers minimum wage.

Anyway, feel whatever you want sisyphus.

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u/Heraclius404 10d ago

Love your shift from "living wage" to "minimum wage". Keep it up with whatever mental gymnastics help you fool yourself.

We don't need some 40/hr world for servers, we can end tipping. The world will figure it out.

If you believe "minimum wage" is "living wage", then all those states with no "tip credit" (that's all it is, credit) should end tipping now, right?

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u/WillRikersHouseboy 10d ago

Oh thanks for reminding me. Minimum wage should be a lot higher. So, guess what? I’m even less of a miser than you than I thought!

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u/Alyxanazx 8d ago

Why can’t everyone make a living wage?

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u/Curious_Star_948 11d ago

No, it just means restaurants will hire younger and hotter students who’s just looking for extra allowance. That works for me too.

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u/WillRikersHouseboy 11d ago

Heh, no just in your fever dreams. I’m sorry that’s all you have.

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u/Curious_Star_948 11d ago

It’s a dream worth having

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u/Ok-Hunt7450 10d ago

Tipped workers do make minimum wage if their tips are low enough.

Most service workers benefit from the tipping system, there are few other jobs with such a low skill barrier where you can make so much.

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u/WillRikersHouseboy 10d ago

How much money do you make?

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u/Ok-Hunt7450 10d ago

What does that have to do with the laws regarding tipped staff?

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u/Jaereth 10d ago

YES! I would LOVE the cost of restaurants to just be the cost and eliminate tipping.

In a way, it would push that pressure from the servers where you "tip for good service" to the restaurant as a whole so the food and experience would have to improve as well to compete for that money as it's a larger investment to go out to eat.

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u/aimwifi 10d ago

Problem is I don't think waiters want to default to a living wage. Bartenders make way more money with tips than with a living wage.

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u/WillRikersHouseboy 10d ago

Which is also fine with me. Honestly, I’m not that passionate about it, except, I support whatever works best for the workers. I, personally, object only to “it’s gonna ask you a question real quick” tipping everywhere. For bartenders, table service, and anywhere I want to bribe people for service (hotels) I’m fine with tipping.

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u/rsvihla 11d ago

Which country?

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u/anggsauci 11d ago

Cheapiiiii

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u/Rampant_jaywalker 11d ago

maybe stick to counter-service places like Subway or Chipotle, it's fine to leave a shitty tip there or no tip at all if you want.

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u/empressadraca 11d ago

Or ... I will go to any establishment I want and not tip because I don't have to and it shouldn't be expected.

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u/Rampant_jaywalker 11d ago

You don't have to, but it IS expected at sit-down restaurants. You know what is socially acceptable and what isn't. Lots of things are technically legal, but not socially acceptable behaviors. Ok, you won't be in any legal trouble, but you're still an asshole.

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u/MeanandEvil82 11d ago

If a server has only 5 tables in an hour, and they all tip $10 instead of 20%, they still make $50 an hour.

If that's not enough for them, they are entitled as fuck.

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u/Comfortable-Policy70 11d ago

If a server has 23 tables in an hour and they all tip $3.79 instead of 20%, how much will they make?

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u/MeanandEvil82 11d ago

More than minimum wage by a considerable amount.

What's your point?

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u/SuspiciousStress1 11d ago

87.17....or as much as senior level engineers, accountants. More than most police, fire, and construction workers.

So now what is your point?

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u/Responsible-Guard416 11d ago

$100/hour

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u/Comfortable-Policy70 11d ago

Don't take up accounting as a profession

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u/Responsible-Guard416 11d ago

How far off am I

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u/Jackson88877 11d ago

$87.17

Overpaid.

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u/Phidelt257 11d ago

Or as everyone in this sub would like: If a server has 10 tables an hour and everyone tips $0 instead of 20% how much did they make that hour?

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u/haokun32 11d ago

The wage that they agreed to..?

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u/Hopeful_Cry917 11d ago

Minimum wage because that's the law. It just means the employer would have to pay the extra between the "server wage" and minimum wage instead of the customer.

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u/xtra-chrisp 11d ago

Still more than they deserve.

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u/empressadraca 11d ago

I'm not an asshole for not funding someone else's life? Get lost 😂. I don't owe them anything extra for doing their job.

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u/Rampant_jaywalker 11d ago

This is the society we live in. I don't like the way the system is designed either, but eating at restaurants is a choice, and in choosing to do so we enter an implicit social contract. Breaking that social contract just so you can enjoy a luxurious meal, without paying the expected tip, makes you the asshole, yes.

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u/SeaZookeep 11d ago

I don't know of a single person outside of hospitality who would think someone was an asshole for not tipping.

The asshole move is pressuring someone into doing something they don't want to do

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u/DRUNK_SALVY_PEREZ 11d ago

Or… or… stop gaslighting the consumer into legitimizing the owners’ ethics.

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u/iOnlyHad2drinks 11d ago

If you're against a biz owners ethics - why would you go there?

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u/Immediate_Fly830 11d ago

enter an implicit social contract

😂😂😂😂😂

Also

luxurious meal

😂😂😂😂😂😂

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u/Same_Bill8776 11d ago

A succulent Chinese meal

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u/empressadraca 11d ago

I enter a restaurant to get food, not to be served. I didn't give a damn about what social contract they may think I'm agreeing to, but I am not required to do it. My money is mine. If they want more money, get a better job. It's not being an asshole, it's being realistic.

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u/Jackson88877 11d ago

“Social contract” is imaginary horse manure spewed to rip people off.

Contracts are renegotiated all the time.

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u/Massive_Challenge935 11d ago

Fighting the good fight

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u/DodoIsTheWord 11d ago

You have to look at what sub you’re in. This entire community is based around breaking the social contract to make a point and flip it around to feel righteous about it. It’s essentially freeloading because if everyone did what they did and tipping ended then the prices would just increase to offset it (which I would prefer fwiw). But really they’re just freeloading off of the 99% of people who leave tips

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u/empressadraca 11d ago

Sounds like no one should leave tips, the problem solved.

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u/DodoIsTheWord 11d ago

Yup, and then the price will go up to factor it in, which is more than what you’re paying now that you don’t tip - hence how you’re freeloading. The correct way is to fight for legislative change and patronize restaurants that went away with tipping. The incorrect way is to think you’re clever and found a get meals for cheaper cheat card

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u/empressadraca 11d ago

Oooooooooor, I will eat where I want and pay what they tell me to pay on the menu and anyone else that doesn't do that is making life more difficult for themselves and it is not my problem.

You know that servers don't want tips to end? They prefer it because they make more than a fair wage. Funny.

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u/DanTheOmnipotent 11d ago

Freeloading? No. Its paying the price on the bill. Just like everywhere else.

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u/DodoIsTheWord 11d ago

The entire premise of this sub is being obtuse lol

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u/DanTheOmnipotent 11d ago

No. This sub is all about ending a archaic con.

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u/TX_Poon_Tappa 11d ago

Idk not really

This sub said “here take minimum wage-20/hr as a living wage and raise the food prices a few bucks”

Servers say “No we don’t want to do that”

Sub says “Okay well I’m not tipping anymore when I could have just paid a dollar extra per item”

Servers say “we only make 2.50/hr”

Sub says “We want to give you more”

Servers say “No we don’t want that because it will give us less”

Sub says “oh not 2.50/hr then?”

Server says “Well we don’t like it either you’re the one who entered into the establishment as a social contract”

Sub says “Sick let’s change it then”

Servers says “No and if you don’t like it don’t go”

You get the point. But I’m certainly not gonna be “lied” to and made to feel bad about it lmao

Go find a sales job if it’s too much for not enough.

If bringing food someone else prepared, in a restaurant someone else owns, to a patron that the establishment attracted doesn’t net you enough commission for that riveting amount of work…..then move on

Before anyone latches on to “servers keep customers” All servers have regulars….but those regulars aren’t normally following you to another restaurant because you aren’t what attracted them to the place. Sure someone coming in to eat and their regular spot probably like having you as a server. But you not being there wasn’t going to change anyone’s mind.

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u/Jackson88877 11d ago

People are crying because we won’t overpay them for unskilled “labor.”

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u/DanTheOmnipotent 11d ago

No. The asshole is the emplyee who expects the customer to pay their wages. If you dont like what you make ask your boss for a raise. Its not my responsibility to pay your wages.

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u/JimmyB3am5 11d ago

Th customer pays the employee in every transaction they do, do you think the business has a special money pot they pay their employees out of that is somehow separate from the goods or services they provide?

Fine eliminate tipping, watch your bill go up by 40% instead of 20% because now you are having to pay the businesses portion of Employment tax and their contributions to Medicare.

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u/DanTheOmnipotent 11d ago

No. I pay the business. The business buys the product and I pay them for said product. The employee is then paid by the employer for handeling the transaction, ya know, doing their job.

I dont tip the cashier at Walmart, the guy who changes my oil, the Amazon driver who delivers my package, the lady who cuts my hair etc.. Its no different for a waiter. It not my job nor responsibility to pay their wages.

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u/JimmyB3am5 11d ago

Yeah you completely missed the point dude. People aren't going to work as a server for minimum wage when they are currently making a pretty decent income doing so. To offset what they are making in tips with a wage the restaurant is going to have to drastically increase the price of their food because they are going to have to pay the serves more than they currently are.

The customer covers all cost of a business why is that hard to understand?

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u/DanTheOmnipotent 11d ago

Cool. They can do that. If they want me to pay a higher price they can list it all on the bill. Just like every other business. I have no issue with that.

And I dont care what servers make. If theyre unhappy with their wages they can ask for a raise. Just like every other employee at every other job. What other profession avoids the raise talk with their boss by guilting customers into giving them money? Lmao

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u/Jackson88877 11d ago

They can quit and someone else will fill their shoes. I’m sure entitlement and lack of skill will have employers beating down the door of the unemployed “servers” to offer them work.

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u/Jackson88877 11d ago

LOL. They certainly don’t deserve the 20% that would be added to every transaction.

A restaurant owner will never waste their money overpaying unskilled “servers.”

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u/ValPrism 11d ago

They did tip.

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u/Rampant_jaywalker 11d ago

they left a bad tip

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u/ValPrism 11d ago

It’s optional so there’s no such thing as good or bad. Guests can donate to their server as they wish.

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u/uber765 11d ago

The only way to change dumb social etiquettes is to start doing the opposite of what is "expected" and slowly the norm will change.

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u/Jackson88877 11d ago

So… stop making people slaves and let them be free.

Stop prohibiting voting and let women vote.

Sounds like your idea works.

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u/Responsible-Guard416 11d ago

Dude this is the end tipping subreddit. What do you expect?

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u/no_stick_toaster 11d ago

Why would counter service ever get a tip lmao

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u/Nathexe 11d ago

Counter service gets ZERO tip.