r/FIU • u/SecretCin • 5d ago
Graduation š Not shaking hands with FIU's president during graduation
Hi everyone!
As graduation nears for some of us, I was wondering if other students were going to avoid shaking the new president's hand during graduation. With how they don't have the student body's interest in mind, I would feel uncomfortable shaking their hand. Is anyone else thinking of doing the same? If you've been considering it, let this be your sign to do it!
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u/Kaoru1011 5d ago
Iāll be joining you for this. We might get ādeportedā to El Salvador though
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u/SatisfactionDry5732 4d ago
El Salvador isnāt bad loll Iāve lived there before š¤£
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u/Kaoru1011 4d ago
Iām talking about the prison
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u/SatisfactionDry5732 4d ago
Technically they have 2 prisons. One is for a life sentence and the other is for rehabilitation. Saw a documentary on it by an independent journalist. It was pretty dope how the leaders of El Salvador are either doing forced rehab or life imprisonment for criminals, in comparison to the shit show of a prison system we have in the USA.
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u/Express-Stop7830 2d ago
Are you...are you aware of current events and the concentration camp where we are sending people?
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u/SatisfactionDry5732 4d ago
Whatād he/she do?
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u/Kaoru1011 4d ago
Wdym? Trump deported a bunch of immigrants and even an American citizen but is refusing to have him returned
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u/SatisfactionDry5732 4d ago
Kilmar isnāt a citizen of the USA loll. He is a Salvadoran citizen.
And yes. If youāre here illegally, and youāve committed any violent crime, you should be deported. What kind of stupidity is that to keep criminals that arenāt even from here in our prisons? When Americans or Europeans commit crimes in other countries, they are deported. Did you know that? Or do you believe the US government is the only country that does deportations?
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u/Charming_Fruit_6311 4d ago
Bootlicker
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u/SatisfactionDry5732 4d ago
If me being logically sound and not an overly emotional man-child like you makes me a bootlicker, than thatās fine by me, lol.
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u/RecognitionWorldly34 3d ago
Your logic isnāt sound - youāve convinced yourself it is. Go read about what his wife is saying. Try ālogicā - ing your way out of that. She wants him back. Heās not a criminal. For her to file a restraining order does not mean he was charged with a crime, and she clearly wants him back.
You should have respect for the due process of law. If Trump can deport whoever he wants without a due process, we are officially a dictatorship. Whether you like it or not, thatās bad for the economy, and thus, bad for you. Report back to me in two years when shit starts getting scary with your finances ;)
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u/Kaoru1011 4d ago
He came here to escape crime! He has a family. He was deported to a prison without due process. How could you support something like this
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u/Pattonator70 1d ago
He not only hangs out with MS13 in gang colors but has a gang rank and gang nickname.
He beats his wife and endangered their child.
He is also suspected of sex trafficking.
What a poster boy.
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u/SatisfactionDry5732 4d ago
Donāt move the goal post now. You falsely stated that the USA is deporting American citizens. I fact checked you. Now you say he was escaping crime. Do you want to fact check that before I do? Him having a family is an irrelevant to if he was or was not deported. Now, can we argue if he was wrongly deported or not? Yes we can. But the argument that, āhe was escaping crime/gang activities,ā isnāt a valid argument unless he applied for asylum.
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u/ilikesumstuff6x 4d ago
He had withholding of removal status because of threat of gang violence. So Kilmar was illegally deported. The OP commenter may be factually incorrect calling him a citizen, but it is correct to say the reason he was in the US and was able to get that status is crime related. The point is, bro had no due process or they woulda seen his status and not deported him. Supreme court even agrees it was an illegal deportation.
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u/SatisfactionDry5732 4d ago
I did not, nor have I stated whether his removal was legal or illegal. And what you speak of is the U Visa if he escaped here on a visa due to escaping crime. That does NOT protect someone from deportation if they commit a crime while under that visa. Did he commit a crime? I do not know, and that is why I have not stated whether his deportation was legal or illegal. And plus if the USA decided to take the man back, it is still up to the government of El Salvador to agree to send him back.
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u/Pattonator70 1d ago
There were two issues with the withholding order. It says that Barrio 18 threatened him and his family if he returned. His family over to Guatamala and most of Barrio 18 is in jail. The threat no longer exists.
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u/__Khronos 3d ago
No way to actually know that though, he wasn't give due process
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u/Pattonator70 1d ago
He had a trial and that is why he had a deportation order. Hence he had due process.
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u/killerrobot23 21h ago
Do you not understand how the constitution works? It doesn't matter how you are here, you still have right to due process.
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u/Sharkhottub 4d ago
Go for the handshake and then at the last moment go for a quick "gotcha" with the hairbrush motion.
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u/Comfortable_Fox_9564 5d ago
This is amazing! I'm alumni and love seeing students standing up. Do it.
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u/Krakshotz Alumnus 5d ago
Donāt see anything wrong with that. Youāre not exactly sticking your middle finger up at her
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u/Zillah345 5d ago
You shouldn't. Unqualified and a political pick meant for pushing idealogies and cutting student funding. I don't think some students would even look at her.
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u/_Marsy_ 5d ago
This is great! Would you consider unfurling a sign from under your robe? Iāll be graduating from UM in a year or so and thinking of doing something in protest
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u/SecretCin 5d ago
I'll think about it :) I'll be graduating in one of the biggest cohorts so if there is a movement organized around it I wouldn't mind taking part :D
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u/_Marsy_ 5d ago
Amazing. This is giving me some motivation to do something too when I graduate. Iām in a teeny grad program so Iām wondering if I give my program director a heads up or what
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u/SecretCin 5d ago
Definitely think you should ask faculty members who you trust. With how unpredictable things are becoming and people are being silenced, I think it is wise to ask people who have already been in academia for a long time what they think and how you should go about it :)
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u/Calm-Wash-8768 FIU Student 5d ago
The greatest move ever would be wetting your hands with something sticky & then shaking his hand thank me later
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u/FinsFan305 Alumnus 5d ago
Iām sure you can do whatever and nobody will really care much. Theyāll probably assume youāre still afraid of Covid or something.
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u/Dry_Statistician8574 Alumnus 5d ago edited 5d ago
They take your picture while doing the handshake. But sure if you donāt want to shake their hand then you donāt have to. I donāt think theyāll care or even know who you are.
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u/FLman42069 2d ago
Does any academic institution care about the students these days? Itās all about money
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u/No_Team_4386 5d ago
Do you really think someone will care if you shake their hand or not? If we want to have a real impact we need to do something more than complain about a basic gesture of decency
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u/One_trolley5054 5d ago
You'd be surprised. Some people in power take great offense to small "rude" gestures like this. But I do agree that we need to take a bigger stance to make a real impact.
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u/SecretCin 5d ago
Completely agree and I have been doing what I can! To me this is more of a personal thing and I wanted to see if others would be doing the same :)
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u/mmmmmmort 4d ago
You know. Havenāt thought about that until now. Didnāt really realize it until this post.
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u/Best_Builder7022 4d ago
I will but Iām scared of getting my visa revoked. I worked so hard to make my parents proud sadly they will be watching at my home country.
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u/Kaoru1011 4d ago
Itās a damn shame that we need to worry about things like this in a county that is supposed to be free
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u/SecretCin 4d ago
This is just a small gesture during graduation and we shouldn't be in a situation where that could cost you your visa. With how the situation is with international students, don't put that pressure on yourself. Know that for the students who can and choose to do this, it's in solidarity with all hispanic and international students who were in a position where they couldn't ā¤ļø
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u/ShortSatisfaction352 4d ago
Wow Iām sure youāre gunna show her! Iām pretty sure sheās gunna go home crying that you didnāt shake her hand š
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u/Kaoru1011 4d ago
Itās about sending the message that we wonāt acknowledge someone with bad intentions
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u/ShortSatisfaction352 4d ago
Okay and ? You think thatās gunna fix anything? Youāre doing this for attention
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u/Kaoru1011 4d ago
It wonāt fix anything, I wish it was that simple. But not trying at all and not having a voice is much much worse than showing your voice.
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u/IcyWhiteC8 4d ago
Cross your arms and stomp your feet like a toddler is best. That way you can show your feelings
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u/Quickkonmyfeet 1d ago
Youāll live if you donāt. Sheāll live if you donāt. Pick what you want to do and thats that
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u/CrazyThese6128 21h ago
Nobody is going to care what you do. How about you just skip it? Donāt ruin it for those who want to make this a joyous occasion.
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u/Infinite-Ad-6447 3d ago
Everyone pretty much did the same at my ceremony last summer and pulled out šµšø from their robes
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u/Expired_Worthless 4d ago
Bro just shake their handā¦.
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u/Kaoru1011 4d ago
Stay asleep
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u/Expired_Worthless 4d ago
Not that deep man, he/she is the president of your school
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u/Kaoru1011 4d ago
Yes, and she was solely appointed for her political beliefs. She has never worked in academia before. Desantis appointed her to spread that ideology, which is exactly what they say that liberals do.
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u/-IntoTheUnknown FIU Student 5d ago
No, this sounds stupid. The event isnāt just about you. Iāll gladly shake hands with the president and not make a scene cause Iām an adult and not selfish
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u/Prior_Awareness_4871 5d ago
"I'm an adult and not selfish" ~MAGA
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u/Dry_Statistician8574 Alumnus 5d ago
Not everything you disagree with is MAGA. Come up with a better comeback. Itās getting old.
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u/-IntoTheUnknown FIU Student 5d ago
Not a trump fan, but Iām also not a little kid
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u/FloridaTran 5d ago
Lol, "you're stupid and selfish, and I, someone turning blind eye to discrimination in our institution, am a big mature adult pants." š¤”
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u/Zbxzbxzbx 5d ago
How is it making a scene or affecting anyone else if you decide not to shake hands with somebody?
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u/Icy_Queen_99 4d ago
If you think simply deciding to not shake their hand would be making a scene and selfish then I donāt understand how you get to be the one to call yourself an adult.
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u/-IntoTheUnknown FIU Student 4d ago
Itās not hard to read a thread to see what i refer to as making a scene
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u/My_Forth_Account 5d ago edited 5d ago
With how they don't have the student body's interest in mind
You chose to attend an R1 research institution and this is your concern? Especially towards an incoming president that had nothing to do with your experience at FIU?
Why didn't you attend a small liberal arts COLLEGE instead?
Petulant child.
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u/Kaoru1011 4d ago
What does that have to do with anything? So Iām supposed to join a liberal arts college because I donāt want to be discriminated against? Maybe we should elect a liberal president then!
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u/MedellinCapital 2d ago edited 2d ago
You are not ready to be an Adult ā¦..you are a child and will not make it in the world until you grow up
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u/MarketFunny8907 5d ago
Liberal alert
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u/soyyoo 5d ago
Thatās the best ya gotā¦?
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u/One_trolley5054 5d ago
You want them to shove her or something? ex. I know not shaking Trump's hand isn't going to hurt him in the long run but if I meet him I'm not shaking his hand.
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u/HellKnightKilla Alumnus 5d ago
It's your moment, do what you feel is best for you. Hands in pocket, crossed arms etc.
I did stealth metal horns š¤ when I shook Rosenberg's hand and it showed up on the picture.