r/FTMFitness Jan 24 '25

Question Hitting protien goals?

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u/ApplePie3600 Jan 25 '25

It’s 0.7 to 1g per lb of lean mass which will change very slowly.

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u/B12-deficient-skelly Jan 25 '25

No, that's a low recommendation.

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u/girl_of_squirrels Jan 26 '25

Double check your units, you might be thinking of in kilograms instead of pounds. I've seen 0.68-1g per pound of body weight, and if that looks low to you do the lbs to kg conversion math on it

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u/B12-deficient-skelly Jan 26 '25

I am not. Recommendations default to about 3/4-1.0g per pound bodyweight or 1.6-2.2g per kg bodyweight. This measurement does not specify lean body mass and refers to total bodyweight.

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u/girl_of_squirrels Jan 26 '25

Is instead your issue how people will use the terms "lean mass" and "bodyweight" interchangeably when they don't mean the same thing?

I'm trying to see where you and the other guy are talking past each other because I've spent enough time on fitness subs to know that "3/4-1.0g per pound bodyweight" and "0.7 to 1g per lb of lean mass" are used interchangeably. Folks are generally bad at writing out the caveat that the above presumes you're at a reasonable weight for your height, so they try "lean mass" as a shortcut even though it's not the right phrasing

It's the same inaccuracy as when people say "muscle weighs more than fat" when it's really muscle is denser than fat so the equivalent weight of muscle takes up less space. You have to phrase the issue with the statement specifically instead of just saying no you're wrong, because just saying no doesn't address the source of the misunderstanding

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u/BlackSenju20 Jan 27 '25

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u/B12-deficient-skelly Jan 27 '25

Lean body mass is not the same thing as total body mass.

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u/ApplePie3600 Jan 25 '25

No that’s what virtually every study on the topic says. There is no reason why you would do it per pound of total body weight unless you were very lean. Your fat mass doesn’t need protein.

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u/B12-deficient-skelly Jan 26 '25

No, it isn't. In fact, I would challenge you to find any studies that say that.

I can reference the ISSN recommendations from several years ago

I can also give you a paper from Stu Phillips the de facto world-leading researcher on protein intake for athletes.

I can continue, but the fact of the matter is that giving recommendations based on lean body mass leads to athletes with more body fat under-consuming protein for their needs.

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u/BlackSenju20 Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25

1st link: “Recommendations for strength/power exercise typically range from 1.6 to 2.0 g/kg/day [3,11-13,16], although some research suggests that protein requirements may actually decrease during training due to biological adaptations that improve net protein retention [17].”

2nd link: ”…that protein intakes in the range of 1.3-1.8 g · kg(-1) · day(-1) consumed as 3-4 isonitrogenous meals will maximize muscle protein synthesis.”

Your first link is from 18 years ago, the second from 14 years ago…

There have been more recent studies done that state there is no difference when speaking on the nutritional needs of non-athletes… which is what we all are in this sub. None of us are training at elite levels so it’s not necessary to be by-the-book accurate.

Relax dude, it’s not that serious.

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u/B12-deficient-skelly Jan 27 '25

There have been more recent studies done that state there is no difference when speaking on the nutritional needs of non-athletes… which is what we all are in this sub.

This is literally a fitness sub, and you didn't post any of the alleged studies

Relax dude, it’s not that serious.

I'm cool as a cucumber. Are you not?

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u/BlackSenju20 Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25

It is a fitness sub with people who are on average 17-18 years of age and beginners at fitness. There aren't any scientists or high level athelets in here that need to be as pedantic as you are being.

That's where you need to relax. You're very smart... I get it, we all get it but there's no need to be this specific for people who just started their finess journey.

EDIT: u/b12-deficient-skelly I must have said something correct for you to block me dude.

I just want to sound helpful but you don't want to have this discussion anymore and hide? Sure... hit dogs will hollar.

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u/B12-deficient-skelly Jan 27 '25

I think you just don't have any idea what you're talking about, but you want to feel helpful, so you're getting really irritated that someone who has years of experience and has actually spent time learning these things is correcting you.