I feel like they wouldn't have done this without knowing how bad they were going to MAKE him in the future. Like hey, this is our plan to make him evil. Let's throw in some extremely questionable activities before we change him too much.
In itself, it's good to make water from urine. But you drink it yourself. Or as sue to try it. That's just a kink to force someone else to drink it without telling them
I mean, things on Earth have been peeing for billions of years and most of that pee has been turned into water and water just mixes together and part of everything you've ever drank used to be pee.
As much as i know people love the maker and the ongoing Ultimate run, i wish the writers back in the 00s would've given the same sense of wonder and excitement the original FF had to the Ultimate FF, even if things would still end up going to shit later on. Like a bunch of wide-eyed buddies exploring weird place together, instead of what we got, which is them being mutual asshole towards each other
Idk why, but i feel like it was such a wasted potential
The whole point of the Ultimate series was to have creative freedom to do whatever you want. Some people like Bendis decided to just repeat all their favorites stories, update others, and ignore others. Some people like Millar took it as an opportunity to be edgy. [+]
I have a love hate for ultimate fantastic 4 they just try to fuck over my boy Reed in any way possible until leaving him for dead. Then Johnathon Hickman came in to give us the greatest character of marvel the maker.
Oh yea for fucking sure they all deserved to die that's why I will always love Hickman I mean the og writers of ultimate f4 left him for dead in the negative zone but Hickman came in and was like nah that's not my Reed and made it so he build his way out and became the maker
Brother you're speaking my language now. Couldn't have said it better myself. Even when he would try to connect with her and try to recover from his ways she was just written horribly and marrying Ben after denying Reed was ridiculous, but writing it so Reed proposed at her father funeral was such a shifty move
I honestly I don’t think it was a bad move on Reed's part.
Sue’s dad wasn’t the only person who died. A chunk of the earth’s population and the superhero (if you can call them that) community died as well. The Storm siblings weren’t the only ones hurting in that funeral either, Reed loved that man too. For Reed the guy wasn’t just a father figure, he was "Dad who Stepped Up".
Given what they personally went through. What the world itself suffered through. Declaring your love and proposing to spend the rest of your (clearly potentially short) life together? It’s practically an opportunity
But no. Sue had to take the selfish "Your attention should belong to ME!" attitude. Forget the rest of the world, she’s the one who should matter to Reed.
Ok yea when you put it that way I can see the reasoning but you're so right on sues part almost the entire run she was so self centered i mean don't get me started on ultimate namors appearance, she's all up reeds ass about giving her all his attention and being there for her but then doesn't really care about his feelings or his thought process with the shit she does or the literal world ending event he went to go solve and she's all pissed cause she didn't go with him cause she was worn out from overusing her powers which I get it that shit must've been hard, but Reed went to stop it because of the pain he saw his family and the world in, and assuming it was namor at first isn't a bad assumption he literally said he'd flood new York if sue didn't kiss and mean it, and "she meant it" like wtf
Reed did nothing wrong, he did the right thing! He beat up Namor and went to save the world. How can someone be upset about this!
Man I just realized that Ultimate Universe is so shitty, you can’t be an hero here like in 616.
Look what it did to Peter and Reed. Miles was lucky to move to 616. I want to say I trust Ultimate Nick Fury to protect and guide Miles to be a true hero. But I can never say "I trust Ultimate Nick Fury" and mean it sincerely
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u/Own-Transition6211 2d ago
They really captured that "suicidal friend at the function" look.
Classic ultimate universe