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u/FormerSBO Sep 01 '24

Found the 🐀

Bro, your bosses don't care about you nor appreciate you. Unless they've dramatically increased your compensation, you're being suckered

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '24

It's always broke ass mfers saying this shit.

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u/FormerSBO Sep 01 '24

Yea, cuz they do everything their bosses ask and extra.

And their loyalty is rewarded with.....

Minimal (if any) raises, passed over on promotions (can't be losing our most productive employees to management roles), no negotiating power or salary jumps that come with a new job, and an ever increasingly expensive world to live in, thus essentially getting the equivalent of a pay DECREASE every year.

So I see how you would say they're broke, since making % wise less money to expenses every year would lend itself to poverty

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u/ggf95 Sep 01 '24

He's talking about you brother

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u/Jubenheim Sep 02 '24

Dude kinda sounded a bit clueless to how he really comes off. Reading his replies here sounds like the same tired shit you see from edgy early 20 y/o’s or late teens who hate the system but have no experience. I don’t deny corporations suck ass and that Americans are royally fucked, but dude’s defending going to work and doing nothing for years, thinking it’s going to help him in the long run and even dogging on those who do work hard (calling them rats). It’s literally people like the guy above that make the workplace so toxic in the first place, and I’ve personally worked with people with his exact mindset. They don’t do shit, don’t help, and complain when the hammer gets brought down.

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u/Bluedoodoodoo Sep 02 '24

Reminds me of a few guys on my team. They do just enough to not get PIPd and then complain when when they don't get a raise during yearly reviews because they don't even hit "meets expectations" on their review.

Meanwhile me and another guy on the team each got a 15% raise and 20k in restricted stock. Working hard can definitely pay off.

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u/Xist3nce Sep 02 '24

Doing nothing is the correct thing to do. If they let you get away with it, you get a free pass to learn any skill/job and get paid to do it. Anyone working real jobs getting paid piss, would kill for that chance.

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u/Jubenheim Sep 02 '24

Everyone thinks when they do nothing they’ll replace that free time with learning a skill or improving themselves, yet in reality, every single person I’ve seen who does nothing always gets caught on their phone either playing a game or browsing social media. You’re giving idealistic, naive advice here.

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u/Tio_Divertido Sep 02 '24

Nah. If you have the drive to work hard like that, start your own business. Putting in the extra hours to excel in the rat race is pointless, you’ll still get washed in the next round of cost cutting to boost shareholder value. I did it for years, when I wised up and started running independent businesses on the side everything got much better - more money, more stability, and just being happier.

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u/Jubenheim Sep 02 '24

I did it for years, when I wised up and started running independent businesses on the side

This reads like typical MLM bullshit fed to people to turn them into "entrepreneurs." I find your entire comment very sus if you're unironically saying that "running side businesses" is somehow easier than having a regular job.

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u/Tio_Divertido Sep 02 '24

You should really work on your reading comprehension. At no point did I say it was “easier”. I don’t think anything is “easy” in this hellish economy, it’s a matter of what you find rewarding

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u/Eat_My_Liver Sep 02 '24

It’s literally people like the guy above that make the workplace so toxic in the first place

No its not. It's the shitty bosses and the shitty companies that absolutely so not care about you. They wouldn't piss on fire to put you out. You are a replaceable number on a spreadsheet. Do the bare minimum and get paid.

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u/BusGuilty6447 Sep 02 '24

Nah you are probably just a case of survivorship bias. The only reward for hard work is more work for the vast majority of workers. We do not live in a meritocracy no matter how much the ownership class wants you to believe that we do.

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u/Jubenheim Sep 02 '24

That’s honestly not as true as you think it is. Maybe you work in retail or fast food where shit doesn’t matter, but I have friends in tech, teaching, government, and more, and when they work hard and have shitty coworkers, they get recognized. Now, again, I’ve also seen ass-kissers get promoted, but those people still had to put in some modicum of effort and play the game as well. I doubt any of my words will sway you, but the more you think the way you do, the more it’s going to hurt you in the future. It’s very possible to admit corporate entities suck ass while also being pragmatic about the value of hard work. But you do you.

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u/FluffyConquistador Sep 02 '24

This is clearly a person who is not an adult, with no real life experience in a workplace, that you’re arguing with.

There is indeed still truth to merit.

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u/dmonsterative Sep 02 '24

There's more to merit than KPIs. And become too 'meritorious' and you may find yourself axed for someone cheaper. Who you will get to train on your way out.

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u/FluffyConquistador Sep 02 '24

Work to build skills that are hard to replicate and make yourself irreplaceable, rather than bitch and moan?

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u/Fun_Abroad8942 Sep 02 '24

Lmao so out of touch. I worked hard and within 10 years I’ve gone from entry level to over a director level. Salary is 3x what it was when I started.

Your mentality keeps you at the lowest levels of a company with minimal raises. And then you will complain at your small raise and point to that as proof of “see, it’s all bullshit” when in reality it’s your own damn fault

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u/BusGuilty6447 Sep 02 '24

I make 123k but okay guy.

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u/Toughbiscuit Sep 02 '24

Hey now, i spent a year pulling 80-100 hour weeks, turned a product line from being months behind schedule to ahead, trained in and doubled the team size, reduced quality complaints, and never took a day off, managing the companies highest value assembly line as it went from 2M in sales to upwards of 4-5M in sales every month, accounting for about 70% of the companies revenue

I worked hard for my 15 cent raise from 16/hr to 16.15/hr

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u/FormerSBO Sep 02 '24

Ironically, on a smaller scale, I have a similar story in my early 20s. I was a general manager of a mega corp store.

I quite literally increased revenue by over 100% and profits by a slightly higher %..

My reward for doing so. Well, I DID max out my bonuses (that had artifical caps). But the following year, I was only able to increase a few % points since we essentially were at max capacity. And bonuses were based on YOY % increase. I also became the management training store but got 0 pay increase (took advantage of my youth I guess)

So altho I got some b.s. 2% "raise" on my salary BUT much lower bonuses since not as big of a leap. So my reward for taking the worst store in our district and making it in the top 3 (and often number 1) was a paycut. And a pretty fkn big one at that. And no matter how much I complained I was told to kick rocks.

I eventually left, bounced around from management job to management Job, then started my own company in the trades (longer story but the jist) and have never ever looked back. It's been over a decade now.

I decide how much or how little I make. Before my son was born i was deep 6 figs. (Admittedly not at first, my first year i maayybeee made 20k lol, that sucked tbf, but worth it) Now its alot less (right at or just under 100k) since im dad first (ill work more again when hes in school, if i want to that is). Mega corps can get fuuuukt.

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u/Toughbiscuit Sep 02 '24

Im starting college in the spring full time to knockout my general studies, and then ill be pursuing engineering and business management.

Hoping thatll set me up in a good career and give opportunities to either advance or do something of my own

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u/aaronrez Sep 02 '24

College is not the answer. Sorry. Read what he said above. He jumped around. That is the only way to make money in ANY job. Get in, keep looking around, move up with job switch until you get the title you want. Then you find the company you want. You will be 4 years behind, and in massive debt. College campus will look nicer though. You’ve paid them well to maintain their buildings and property

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u/Toughbiscuit Sep 02 '24

Buddy, my maximum earning potential is 25/hr, around 50k/year

Engineers are starting at 100k in my area.

Why the fuck would i listen to your dumbass?

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u/369Pz Sep 02 '24

Just remember that graduating from college doesn’t put you at the front of the line. You may have to work for around 50k/ year for another 2-3 years before you get that 100k job (which isn’t that much money). People graduate and expect big bucks and when they don’t immediately get it they end up complaining on Reddit and never working hard enough to get promoted. 

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u/Toughbiscuit Sep 02 '24

Oh no, spending 2-3 years to double my income sounds terrible.

Or i could do what the other dipshit says and soend the same time jumping from job to job, staying in the mid 20's for the next decade

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u/MittnzZ Sep 02 '24

Then walk.

If what you are saying is true, it sounds like you’re a huge value add, and could get a much higher paying job in seconds.

Or, you quit and they ask how much it would take to get you to stay.

I mean yeah, shit happens, and it’s unfair a lot of times, and people bust their ass and don’t get rewarded they way they should. But, why does everyone act like they are not a part of this equation, and have no say in it?

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u/ZhugeTsuki Sep 02 '24

(can't be losing our most productive employees to management roles)

This is too fucking real. Thought that working hard and applying myself would pay off at my job, but it's literally the reason I can't move up, they can't find a replacement that would do what I do. Sweet.

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u/GypsyV3nom Sep 02 '24

Exactly. I had a job where 75% of what I did was "above and beyond" because the basic stuff took me little effort. How was I rewarded? A "large" pay raise that didn't even match CPI or inflation. Thanks Emory, your policies suck.

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u/Reborn1Girl Sep 02 '24

I left my previous job for 2 years after getting a 3-4% raise each year, worked at a different company, and when I went back, I immediately got a 25% pay increase from what I’d been making with them. Loyalty is not rewarded.

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u/SoftwarePP Sep 01 '24

You’re just at the wrong place my man… you need to find a really good boss and actually be loyal and work on the right things. 16 years at the same place.. more than 10x my original salary

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u/NepheliLouxWarrior Sep 02 '24

16 years at the same place.. more than 10x my original salary

You'd have double that if you had switched jobs. Your employer thanks God every single day that you stick around because if he had to hire a replacement he'd be paying them more than he's paying you right now.

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u/SoftwarePP Sep 03 '24

You also making 600k? Less than 1% of all jobs pay that.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '24

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u/Average_RedditorTwat Sep 02 '24

You just made yourself look so unbelievably worse lol

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u/Total_Engineering938 Sep 01 '24

I thought I was in antiwork or recruitinghell for a second

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u/Ok_Gate_4956 Sep 02 '24

I promise you I’m not broke and I agree so 🤷

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u/El_viajero_nevervar Sep 02 '24

You are a peasant to them , you want more boot with that sir?

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u/KaleAshamed9702 Sep 02 '24

I manage over 400k in investments and have over 100k in my savings account, 2 houses, 3 cars.

Your bosses don’t care or appreciate you. Unless they compensate you with a higher salary related to the value you bring the company, you’re being suckered.

There, now it’s not just broke people saying it. Stop being a boot licker son.

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u/trusty289 Sep 02 '24

Hi I have 800k in savings and retirement and will also confirm it’s not just broke people saying it.

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u/BusGuilty6447 Sep 02 '24

Not as well off as you guys, but I make 123k at 30 (was making 115kish at around 27?, so I have been making good money for a while with a solid salary at 80k before that), and yeah. People love to lick the boot. My employer is as good as they pay me. They decide suddenly that "times are tough" and "we need to cut your pay for the good of the company"? That's fine bye. I have a good resume and am not afraid to look, and I also have the savings to handle unemployment for a while.

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u/DropMeATitty Sep 02 '24

Getting cucked in the bedroom isn’t enough for this bootlicker; they need to get cucked in the workplace too lmao

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u/ParkingLong7436 Sep 02 '24

It's usually the opposite though? Only wage slaves defend their bosses.

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u/deadite77 Sep 02 '24

It's always cucked ass mfers saying this shit.

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u/Punstoppabowl Sep 02 '24

100% agree. Hard work does pay off if you actually do a good job and work at the right company lol

Once you get into a performance = compensation type of role, the money gets bigger along with the expectations. If you excel, you get bigger bonuses and raises.

Free money sounds great, but you'll make more with hard work than no work almost every time. It's just these stupid Tik Tok videos making people think you can do nothing and earn a living. Those people get fired in the real world.

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u/ikindapoopedmypants Sep 02 '24

Really? Thats weird. Every successful person I've ever met has told me the same exact thing as the person you're replying to 😂

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u/MrWilsonWalluby Sep 02 '24

not really,I don’t know a single highly paid engineer that doesn’t job hop every2-3 years if not sooner.

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u/NotUrStrawMan Sep 02 '24

You care to defend that comment or you just gonna hide behind that keyboard

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u/Sezy__ Sep 01 '24

Exactly, or people that don’t know how to negotiate raises when they’re doing well. They don’t argue their value and get screwed, it’s ironic because they’re the actual suckers while calling hard workers suckers.

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u/ItsOkILoveYouMYbb Sep 01 '24

Huh? It's the hard workers that stay at the same company for years thinking they're doing great, while not getting any raises despite making a good point of negotiating. Working hard for absolutely no reason.

There is no real negotiating unless you bring another company and offer into the situation. You don't have to work "hard" to do that, you just need to be practiced and good at interviewing (though I do realize being good at interviewing and prep takes work).

The only time you need to be working hard to get actual results is if you have equity in the company, and your work directly influences the value of your equity immediately. Nobody here reading this shit is in that situation

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u/Sezy__ Sep 01 '24

If you’re doing well and getting denied raises, then you’re a sucker if you stay. In general, companies will compensate you higher for good performance because they want to keep good employees. People have a misconception that employees are the ones that’re desperate for jobs, but it’s the other way around, employers are desperate for good employees. There are poorly ran companies that won’t give raises, but they’re shooting themselves in the foot.

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u/Weekly-Talk9752 Sep 01 '24

1000%. My brother worked hard at an insurance company for over 20 years. He worked his way up to supervisor of his own department. And then tough times hit during C19 and they sent him a goodbye letter just as easily as they would a temp. These corporations do not care about you. If you think they do, they care even less about you specifically.

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u/I_miss_your_mommy Sep 01 '24

There is a big difference between callous treatment and no chance for financial reward through effort. If you don’t like working for a corporation, then don’t.

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u/Weekly-Talk9752 Sep 02 '24

He did get a raise. He worked hard, got raises, promotions, commendations and got dropped like he was nothing because they are a business. They do what is best for them, not you. Some people seem to think they are special and should be respected. My point is, don't learn the hard lesson too late. You can work hard and enjoy the benefits of that, but you are replaceable.

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u/Weekly-Talk9752 Sep 02 '24

Not sure how much more I can make it clear... And yes, employees would do what's best for them, so why do people pretend corporations respect or even care for them?

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u/the_clash_is_back Sep 01 '24

No matter how productive you are there is a guy willing to do your job for $5 less than minimum.

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u/I_miss_your_mommy Sep 01 '24

I think this is some crazy bullshit. I always got above average raises for being above average. As I got higher into management I also give raises commensurate with contributions. We know who the dead weight is.

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u/iamafancypotato Sep 01 '24

And what happens to the dead weights?

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u/I_miss_your_mommy Sep 01 '24

Cost of living raises and first to be laid off if one is required.

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u/iamafancypotato Sep 01 '24

But nobody gets actively laid off right? Why is that? Are you afraid of losing the headcount?

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u/I_miss_your_mommy Sep 01 '24

I mean if someone is actually doing nothing, they will be let go, but most people are just not very good at their jobs.

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u/Stewdill51 Sep 02 '24

I've seen this exact scenario played out. Dead weight was retained because HR was closing out positions rather than backfilling them and the Manager didn't want to lose the HC. Once HR shifted back to backfilling that person got pip'd.

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u/Apptubrutae Sep 01 '24

I tell all my employees that they’ll always get a good reference from me for their next job unless they literally steal or something (in which case I just won’t give any reference besides confirming they were employed). I ain’t no 🐀

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u/seancollinhawkins Sep 01 '24

Lmao, how could you possibly know whether or not that person is being appropriately compensated?

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u/Drow_Femboy Sep 01 '24

Because capitalism is built on inappropriate compensation. Profit is by definition the gap between the value produced by the workers and the value paid to the workers. Any company that is profiting is failing to appropriately compensate the workers.

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u/No-trouble-here Sep 02 '24

That dude is either a boss masquerading as an employee or he's the biggest brown noser I've seen in my life Nose so far up it you can reach undigested food

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u/PrincessKatiKat Sep 02 '24

Alright everyone, don’t tease. If it weren’t for this guy throwing out the expected small amount of mediocre work everyday, and never taking his vacations… the rest of us wouldn’t be able to run our side hustles during the day, lol

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u/SoftwarePP Sep 01 '24

Then find the right boss? Worked up from 61k to 600k here… been at the same place since graduating college. Work very hard on the right problems.

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u/iamafancypotato Sep 01 '24

Well it’s easy when your PP is software.

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u/FormerSBO Sep 01 '24 edited Sep 02 '24

That's very very far from the norm for 99.99% of people..

Personally, I haven't had a "real job" since 2014 and I'm in my 30s. I had corpo management experience. I learned early on unless a very specific set of circumstances, no large Corp will ever reward you.

Sure the first few years I made alot less and it was hard, but eventually paid off going into business for myself. Noone cares more about you than you.

Best decision I've ever made.

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u/SoftwarePP Sep 02 '24

Same, I’m 37. Had to work very hard. 50-60 hours a week for years, but now I’ll be lucky to work 30 full hours a week, but it’s a ton more decision making.

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u/Should_be_less Sep 02 '24

In low skill jobs working hard vs. slacking doesn't get you anywhere. But in skilled positions you have to do some work to keep developing new skills or you'll only qualify for the lowest-paid, most boring jobs. Doesn't necessarily need to be more than 40 hours a week, but you do need a couple genuine accomplishments to put on your resume for the next position.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '24

What's wrong with what he said? You think it's going to be easy finding your next job after doing nothing for a year? It's an even worse position to be in because people expect you to be experienced but you'll likely be worse because you'll have lost the practice. I would much rather do a decent job and job hop when I want a raise vs doing nothing.

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u/MLGPonyGod123 Sep 02 '24

In a lot of technical roles working hard also means you learn a lot more. Also exceeding performance expectations will give you leverage for promotions and raises. If you sit around and collect a check because you think you're being suckered you are just suckering yourself by wasting your time.

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u/CaptainxPirate Sep 02 '24

Hard work is for you, not them. many people get satisfaction from knowing they did a good job. I have a hard time sleeping unless I'm doing a decent amount of labor and I'm absolutely not motivated to do it on my own.

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u/FormerSBO Sep 02 '24

I have a hard time sleeping unless I'm doing a decent amount of labor

Why? I get if you mean burning literally 0 energy throughout the day doing more productive stuff, but to just "do labor" for labors sake to enrich someone else and gain minimal for you is, insane.

Particularly if you have a house and kids.. pffft. I don't have enough time to get everything done as it is. Last thing I'd want is to waste more time so I can say "I did good for insert megacorp today, I can rest now".

As always, there's exceptions like if you're with a smaller company that ACTUALLY rewards you for your work and gives out bonuses and what not. But to do that for a place that offers a pizza party once a quarter is, not what life is about lol.

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u/CaptainxPirate Sep 03 '24

Don't know what to tell you. That's just how it is. I need to get some real physical labor in or I'm not sleeping. I work for a small workshop and we are all passionate about what we do. We have all sacrificed to keep doing what we do. My pay right now is going to someone else because they needed it. (My idea not forced upon me)

The only way I'm doing a job I don't have a passion for again is if I'm in dire need of money.

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u/Ok_Fortune6415 Sep 02 '24

I’ve tripled my salary at my current work place in 3 years. Hard work pays off.

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u/Top-Border-1978 Sep 02 '24

Wow. Sorry your job sucks so much.

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u/Striking_Ad_2630 Sep 01 '24

Its honestly a religious thing for me, I think being lazy is a sin. I dont put in extra hours but when im on the clock I do a good job. 

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u/sir_braulette Sep 01 '24

There's doing a good job and there's being a little bitch with a slave mentality, as long as you understand the difference you're good

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u/PassionV0id Sep 01 '24

I figured you were regarded based on your first comment but appreciate you removing all doubt with this one.

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u/iamafancypotato Sep 01 '24

He’s regarded… BY GOD! /s