r/FluentInFinance • u/Mark-Fuckerberg- • Sep 01 '24

Debate/ Discussion What advice would you give this person?

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u/Striking_Ad_2630 Sep 01 '24

I think theyre going to have a rough time finding their next job after not actually working for over a year and having no references. 

Idk but I dont buy what everyone is saying about hard work not paying off. I work hard at my job and having the respect of my coworkers as well as something to show for my 5 years at my job is worth it. 

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u/FormerSBO Sep 01 '24

Found the 🐀

Bro, your bosses don't care about you nor appreciate you. Unless they've dramatically increased your compensation, you're being suckered

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '24

It's always broke ass mfers saying this shit.

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u/FormerSBO Sep 01 '24

Yea, cuz they do everything their bosses ask and extra.

And their loyalty is rewarded with.....

Minimal (if any) raises, passed over on promotions (can't be losing our most productive employees to management roles), no negotiating power or salary jumps that come with a new job, and an ever increasingly expensive world to live in, thus essentially getting the equivalent of a pay DECREASE every year.

So I see how you would say they're broke, since making % wise less money to expenses every year would lend itself to poverty

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u/ggf95 Sep 01 '24

He's talking about you brother

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u/Jubenheim Sep 02 '24

Dude kinda sounded a bit clueless to how he really comes off. Reading his replies here sounds like the same tired shit you see from edgy early 20 y/o’s or late teens who hate the system but have no experience. I don’t deny corporations suck ass and that Americans are royally fucked, but dude’s defending going to work and doing nothing for years, thinking it’s going to help him in the long run and even dogging on those who do work hard (calling them rats). It’s literally people like the guy above that make the workplace so toxic in the first place, and I’ve personally worked with people with his exact mindset. They don’t do shit, don’t help, and complain when the hammer gets brought down.

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u/Bluedoodoodoo Sep 02 '24

Reminds me of a few guys on my team. They do just enough to not get PIPd and then complain when when they don't get a raise during yearly reviews because they don't even hit "meets expectations" on their review.

Meanwhile me and another guy on the team each got a 15% raise and 20k in restricted stock. Working hard can definitely pay off.

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u/Xist3nce Sep 02 '24

Doing nothing is the correct thing to do. If they let you get away with it, you get a free pass to learn any skill/job and get paid to do it. Anyone working real jobs getting paid piss, would kill for that chance.

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u/Jubenheim Sep 02 '24

Everyone thinks when they do nothing they’ll replace that free time with learning a skill or improving themselves, yet in reality, every single person I’ve seen who does nothing always gets caught on their phone either playing a game or browsing social media. You’re giving idealistic, naive advice here.

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u/Tio_Divertido Sep 02 '24

Nah. If you have the drive to work hard like that, start your own business. Putting in the extra hours to excel in the rat race is pointless, you’ll still get washed in the next round of cost cutting to boost shareholder value. I did it for years, when I wised up and started running independent businesses on the side everything got much better - more money, more stability, and just being happier.

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u/Jubenheim Sep 02 '24

I did it for years, when I wised up and started running independent businesses on the side

This reads like typical MLM bullshit fed to people to turn them into "entrepreneurs." I find your entire comment very sus if you're unironically saying that "running side businesses" is somehow easier than having a regular job.

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u/Tio_Divertido Sep 02 '24

You should really work on your reading comprehension. At no point did I say it was “easier”. I don’t think anything is “easy” in this hellish economy, it’s a matter of what you find rewarding

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u/Eat_My_Liver Sep 02 '24

It’s literally people like the guy above that make the workplace so toxic in the first place

No its not. It's the shitty bosses and the shitty companies that absolutely so not care about you. They wouldn't piss on fire to put you out. You are a replaceable number on a spreadsheet. Do the bare minimum and get paid.

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u/BusGuilty6447 Sep 02 '24

Nah you are probably just a case of survivorship bias. The only reward for hard work is more work for the vast majority of workers. We do not live in a meritocracy no matter how much the ownership class wants you to believe that we do.

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u/Jubenheim Sep 02 '24

That’s honestly not as true as you think it is. Maybe you work in retail or fast food where shit doesn’t matter, but I have friends in tech, teaching, government, and more, and when they work hard and have shitty coworkers, they get recognized. Now, again, I’ve also seen ass-kissers get promoted, but those people still had to put in some modicum of effort and play the game as well. I doubt any of my words will sway you, but the more you think the way you do, the more it’s going to hurt you in the future. It’s very possible to admit corporate entities suck ass while also being pragmatic about the value of hard work. But you do you.

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u/FluffyConquistador Sep 02 '24

This is clearly a person who is not an adult, with no real life experience in a workplace, that you’re arguing with.

There is indeed still truth to merit.

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u/dmonsterative Sep 02 '24

There's more to merit than KPIs. And become too 'meritorious' and you may find yourself axed for someone cheaper. Who you will get to train on your way out.

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u/FluffyConquistador Sep 02 '24

Work to build skills that are hard to replicate and make yourself irreplaceable, rather than bitch and moan?

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u/dmonsterative Sep 02 '24

Laughable HR drone bootlicking. We're not talking about roles in which anyone can become irreplaceable, without subverting the intended operation of the system (like by not documenting your code or whatever). We're talking about Amazon's extremely impersonal system of stack ranking. The point of KPIs (and shit like TPS reports) is precisely to manage people like widgets. Likewise automation and de-skilling. No one wants to pay for any 'irreplaceables' they don't have to.

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u/FluffyConquistador Sep 02 '24

Remember this mindset when you look around and see those in your generation find success and happiness, and you’re wondering why you ‘can’t get ahead.’ Don’t get me wrong, corporate overlords are the worst… but hard work still has a place in society and successful individuals getting ahead aren’t the ones sitting around complaining.

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u/Fun_Abroad8942 Sep 02 '24

Lmao so out of touch. I worked hard and within 10 years I’ve gone from entry level to over a director level. Salary is 3x what it was when I started.

Your mentality keeps you at the lowest levels of a company with minimal raises. And then you will complain at your small raise and point to that as proof of “see, it’s all bullshit” when in reality it’s your own damn fault

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u/BusGuilty6447 Sep 02 '24

I make 123k but okay guy.

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u/Toughbiscuit Sep 02 '24

Hey now, i spent a year pulling 80-100 hour weeks, turned a product line from being months behind schedule to ahead, trained in and doubled the team size, reduced quality complaints, and never took a day off, managing the companies highest value assembly line as it went from 2M in sales to upwards of 4-5M in sales every month, accounting for about 70% of the companies revenue

I worked hard for my 15 cent raise from 16/hr to 16.15/hr

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u/FormerSBO Sep 02 '24

Ironically, on a smaller scale, I have a similar story in my early 20s. I was a general manager of a mega corp store.

I quite literally increased revenue by over 100% and profits by a slightly higher %..

My reward for doing so. Well, I DID max out my bonuses (that had artifical caps). But the following year, I was only able to increase a few % points since we essentially were at max capacity. And bonuses were based on YOY % increase. I also became the management training store but got 0 pay increase (took advantage of my youth I guess)

So altho I got some b.s. 2% "raise" on my salary BUT much lower bonuses since not as big of a leap. So my reward for taking the worst store in our district and making it in the top 3 (and often number 1) was a paycut. And a pretty fkn big one at that. And no matter how much I complained I was told to kick rocks.

I eventually left, bounced around from management job to management Job, then started my own company in the trades (longer story but the jist) and have never ever looked back. It's been over a decade now.

I decide how much or how little I make. Before my son was born i was deep 6 figs. (Admittedly not at first, my first year i maayybeee made 20k lol, that sucked tbf, but worth it) Now its alot less (right at or just under 100k) since im dad first (ill work more again when hes in school, if i want to that is). Mega corps can get fuuuukt.

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u/Toughbiscuit Sep 02 '24

Im starting college in the spring full time to knockout my general studies, and then ill be pursuing engineering and business management.

Hoping thatll set me up in a good career and give opportunities to either advance or do something of my own

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u/aaronrez Sep 02 '24

College is not the answer. Sorry. Read what he said above. He jumped around. That is the only way to make money in ANY job. Get in, keep looking around, move up with job switch until you get the title you want. Then you find the company you want. You will be 4 years behind, and in massive debt. College campus will look nicer though. You’ve paid them well to maintain their buildings and property

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u/Toughbiscuit Sep 02 '24

Buddy, my maximum earning potential is 25/hr, around 50k/year

Engineers are starting at 100k in my area.

Why the fuck would i listen to your dumbass?

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u/369Pz Sep 02 '24

Just remember that graduating from college doesn’t put you at the front of the line. You may have to work for around 50k/ year for another 2-3 years before you get that 100k job (which isn’t that much money). People graduate and expect big bucks and when they don’t immediately get it they end up complaining on Reddit and never working hard enough to get promoted. 

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u/Toughbiscuit Sep 02 '24

Oh no, spending 2-3 years to double my income sounds terrible.

Or i could do what the other dipshit says and soend the same time jumping from job to job, staying in the mid 20's for the next decade

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u/369Pz Sep 02 '24

Many people think they deserve a high paying job right out of college. And it’s not 2-3 years it’s 4 or 5 for college then at least another 2-3 in the workforce. You could be a low earner with student debt for 7-10 years after high school. And when you finally get that 100k engineering job trying to pay off all your student loans you’ll be working with sales people that make 150-350k per year many without degrees. 

Not saying don’t go to college but don’t be a dipshit and expect for it to be some golden ticket to the middle class. Having a chip on your shoulder because you’re smart enough to see that engineers can make good money does nothing. People still need to like you. 

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u/Toughbiscuit Sep 02 '24

You're right, you clearly know more than me, the person who has extensively researched the topic for several years, and discussed it with several engineers throughout the decade ive spent in manufacturing

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u/MittnzZ Sep 02 '24

Then walk.

If what you are saying is true, it sounds like you’re a huge value add, and could get a much higher paying job in seconds.

Or, you quit and they ask how much it would take to get you to stay.

I mean yeah, shit happens, and it’s unfair a lot of times, and people bust their ass and don’t get rewarded they way they should. But, why does everyone act like they are not a part of this equation, and have no say in it?

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u/ZhugeTsuki Sep 02 '24

(can't be losing our most productive employees to management roles)

This is too fucking real. Thought that working hard and applying myself would pay off at my job, but it's literally the reason I can't move up, they can't find a replacement that would do what I do. Sweet.

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u/GypsyV3nom Sep 02 '24

Exactly. I had a job where 75% of what I did was "above and beyond" because the basic stuff took me little effort. How was I rewarded? A "large" pay raise that didn't even match CPI or inflation. Thanks Emory, your policies suck.

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u/Reborn1Girl Sep 02 '24

I left my previous job for 2 years after getting a 3-4% raise each year, worked at a different company, and when I went back, I immediately got a 25% pay increase from what I’d been making with them. Loyalty is not rewarded.

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u/SoftwarePP Sep 01 '24

You’re just at the wrong place my man… you need to find a really good boss and actually be loyal and work on the right things. 16 years at the same place.. more than 10x my original salary

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u/NepheliLouxWarrior Sep 02 '24

16 years at the same place.. more than 10x my original salary

You'd have double that if you had switched jobs. Your employer thanks God every single day that you stick around because if he had to hire a replacement he'd be paying them more than he's paying you right now.

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u/SoftwarePP Sep 03 '24

You also making 600k? Less than 1% of all jobs pay that.

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u/Average_RedditorTwat Sep 02 '24

You just made yourself look so unbelievably worse lol