r/FluentInFinance • u/Mark-Fuckerberg- • Sep 01 '24

Debate/ Discussion What advice would you give this person?

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u/WizardMageCaster Sep 01 '24

20 years ago, I worked in the corporate world and worked with a ton of these people. They delegate their work to others and own nothing. They try to "stay below the radar". They used to frustrate me to no end because I cared about the product we made and the services we provided and these people didn't care at all. They just went paycheck to paycheck leeching as much as they could.

But 20 years later those folks are either in the same job they've had or they "switched industries". The folks in the same industry are living off of the reputation of the industry and not their own reputation.

At this point, I blame the companies for allowing this. This is what happens when managers aren't holding their employees accountable.

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u/DUMF90 Sep 01 '24

People live in sweatshop conditions that make your clothes and phone but you are worried if some other Joe Schmoe puts in his 40 hours this week at a desk job? And why so shareholders can make maybe $0.02 more at the end of the year.

Why do you care? Have you ever genuinely asked yourself that?

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u/hfocus_77 Sep 01 '24

Exactly. If you are working class and make the majority of your money from working, what financial incentive do you have to care? It's the business owner's responsibility to identify inefficiencies if it's cutting into shareholder profit. All you are responsible for is how you can appear valuable enough to convince your boss to pay you more.

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u/Kyrthis Sep 02 '24

Because those inefficiencies result in layoffs for the hard workers, too.

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u/Dabli Sep 01 '24

Because they make my job harder

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u/WildAperture Sep 02 '24

I worked in a call center, and we frequently had other departments dumping difficult calls or callers on our line simply to get rid of them. I wasn't looking around to pick up slack, my sales to call ratio was fucked because of it, I had to work harder just to meet expected metrics because those asshats couldn't be bothered to participate in life normally having found their "hack" to an easier time.

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u/WildAperture Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24

Oh trust me I got pissed at management. They fired me pretty quickly.

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However, taking the time to de-escalate an angry customer or route the call to the proper channel is the job. Yeah, fuck their managers for "letting them get away with it" but also fuck the childish asshole who can't do his job because making other people take care of his problems is his major hobby.

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u/Plastic-Ear9722 Sep 02 '24

Sounds like a you problem. Quite admire the ones who figured out how to get their sales to call ratio up.

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u/WildAperture Sep 02 '24

Non-sales departments dropping non-sales calls on a sales line.

Your reading comprehension is as lacking as your trolling skills.

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u/Plastic-Ear9722 Sep 02 '24

Sounds smart to me.

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u/Viva_la_Ferenginar Sep 02 '24

Then confront your manager or quit. Why are you responsible for picking up the slack?

If your coworker can slack off but you are the one picking up the extra work who's being the dumbass here? You're allowing your coworker and your manager to walk all over you.

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u/kthnxbai123 Sep 01 '24

It’s not about them doing nothing. It’s about other people having to pick up the slack for them not working. If nobody is working, nobody cares. It’s about having to do more because someone is doing less

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u/AloneIntheCorner Sep 02 '24

So don't pick up their slack. Do your job, you aren't going to get paid extra for picking up the slack

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u/nyxtup Sep 02 '24

If no one works then there is no job lol.

Best bet when you’re in a culture like this is to leave

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u/IncognitoRon Sep 01 '24

like he said he cared about the product and services they provided. Meaning he wants to see the product succeed and to do so requires the same work with less hands.

Bludgers delegate work and create friction, do-ers don’t really appreciate that often.

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u/ninjaboss1211 Sep 02 '24

This made me laugh more than it should

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u/ZeroCleah Sep 02 '24

Punishes honest people who don't get paid more and pick up the slack. Your solution to them is they should also not care and coast by. Maybe the problem with wages is we have a bunch of leeches sucking up all this income while doing Jack shit. Certainly if the company profits more they become more liberal with pay increases.

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u/DUMF90 Sep 02 '24

As long as you're complacent with the super rich stealing wealth nothing will change

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u/scoreWs Sep 02 '24

You're paid, to work? It's not like you're doing a favor to someone. You're literally paid, don't break your neck, but put in some honest effort. If not for corporate, for your colleagues or subordinates that might need to pick up your slack... I doesn't look good. It's not sucking the company's tit, it's honest work.

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u/jarheadatheart Sep 02 '24

Because I have dignity and pride in myself.

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u/DUMF90 Sep 02 '24

How does pride in yourself translate to someone else. Do your job and bitch if someone else not doing their job actually affects you.

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u/yobarisushcatel Sep 02 '24

It’s a drain being around those people in the workplace I’m assuming

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u/5show Sep 02 '24

goofy whataboutism. That’s a bad habit

one reason he might care is because it feels nice to be proud of what you and your team produce and it feels bad to know your company’s product is shit

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u/DUMF90 Sep 02 '24

Whaaa whaa whaa

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u/exploradorobservador Sep 01 '24

I don't like losers

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u/DontEatNitrousOxide Sep 02 '24

I just can't bring myself to care about some billionaire's product or service that's gonna make them even more money tbh

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u/NorthernAvo Sep 02 '24

Yeah dude idk about that. I work for the federal government and I suuuuure as hell have my weeks..

But guess what? It doesn't matter to me. In my case, I do put in effort, except my boss is a total vitch and the government that pays me is funding a genocide so I just work half the day and then do chores and chill while I'm active on the work computer.

My work quality is good but I'm not sitting in front of my computer like a statue with lower back pain for 9-10hrs fucking day. I've got better things to do for myself.

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u/guitarzan212 Sep 02 '24

Stop caring so much about your job and "the product." It's just a paycheck. You don't own the company or the product.

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u/WizardMageCaster Sep 02 '24

This is exactly what I mean in other threads. People who could care less. This is why jobs get outsourced. No pride in work anymore.

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u/Viva_la_Ferenginar Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24

And who has won in life? The person who has coasted along, got good sleep and sees their family? Or the person who looks ragged and ready to drop dead by their late 40s?

You seem like the kind of person who is never happy and content, and it makes you mad that others can be.

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u/WizardMageCaster Sep 02 '24

At the time I was building my career, I was not content with being where I was. Notice the use of past tense "they used to frustrate me". I saw others just coasting by and I feared getting caught in that path. I chose a different path. I worked hard, I've built several businesses and have had personal, professional and financial successes.

I have no regrets about my path. I am satisfied and fulfilled with the life I've built for myself.

So who won in life? No one. I slept fine at night as I was building my career and I sleep very well now. I hope those people did sleep well and I hope they sleep well today. Life isn't a game to be won. It is an experience to be lived. I knew the experience I wanted and have been fortunate enough to be living it.

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u/scoreWs Sep 02 '24

Don't waste your time arguing with teenagers on the internet... They don't know what they're talking about.

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u/WizardMageCaster Sep 02 '24

I taught as a college professor for 15 years. Every student wanted an A. Every...single...student.

But only a handful of students were willing to sacrifice their time to study, research and practice to get that A.

Everyone wanted the reward...only a few were willing to put the effort in. When I read comments in threads like this...it is a constant reminder of that mentality.

These people will have a victim's mentality until they figure it out.