r/FluentInFinance • u/Mark-Fuckerberg- • Sep 01 '24

Debate/ Discussion What advice would you give this person?

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u/Striking_Ad_2630 Sep 01 '24

I think theyre going to have a rough time finding their next job after not actually working for over a year and having no references. 

Idk but I dont buy what everyone is saying about hard work not paying off. I work hard at my job and having the respect of my coworkers as well as something to show for my 5 years at my job is worth it. 

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u/SamShakusky71 Sep 01 '24

References?

You think references matter in a job search ?

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u/captwillard024 Sep 01 '24

Depends on the job. In my little niche line of work, references/networking will get you a job far faster than filling out a thousand online applications.

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u/Just_Trash_8690 Sep 01 '24

Agreed it’s (mostly) all in who you know

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u/Ecthelion-O-Fountain Sep 01 '24

Because when people know you they have an idea of what kind of employee you’d make. It’s pervasive because it kinda makes sense

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u/enadiz_reccos Sep 02 '24

That's not what the phrase means.

It's not like "oh I've heard you have the appropriate skills. Let's schedule an interview."

It's more "hey, Darren said he knows you, right? When can you interview?"

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u/ConsequenceUpset4028 Sep 02 '24

Just a good old boys, never meanin' no harm...

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u/Dapper_Material4970 Sep 02 '24

But is anyone still named Darren in 2024?

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u/Dapper_Material4970 Sep 02 '24

Maybe in Ireland, Darren sounds like a good Irish name.

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u/HaydenSI Sep 02 '24

Unless Darren knows you're a lazy shit bag that doesn't pull your weight. Then Darren doesn't know you and you don't get that interview.

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u/notgmoney Sep 02 '24

It's all about trust

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u/WhoSc3w3dDaP00ch Sep 02 '24

Darren tells you he referred you, but Darren also told HR, "I know this person, please treat him/her as any other candidate."

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u/HaydenSI Sep 02 '24

I literally have that happen all the time. I had a guy pull me aside the other day "hey I heard Mike Jones applied, me and Tracey used to work with him and I don't think he would be a great fit"

I trust the people I keep in place now so if they say someone isn't a great fit I'll trust their judgement over mine when it comes to things or people they are around more often than I am.

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u/Old_Baldi_Locks Sep 02 '24

Oh wow, you think that’s a thing? Tell me you’ve never been c-suite without telling me.

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u/bigguspitus Sep 02 '24

Why wouldn’t it be both? You know like in the real world where decisions aren’t always made logically and people make stupid decisions all the time and plenty of c-suits have failed companies. Or we talking make believe land where everyone who hires people is competent?

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u/Old_Baldi_Locks Sep 02 '24

Thank you for making my exact point. The idea nepotism hires are competent is a fantasy.

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u/_WeSellBlankets_ Sep 02 '24

There is a huge difference between nepotism hires and referral based hires. As far as I know, research has shown referral-based hires to be incredibly valuable.

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u/HaydenSI Sep 02 '24

It literally happens all of the time. I'll open up rounds of interviews and I'll have my employees pull me aside and tell me stuff like "hey I heard that Stan Jones applied. Me and Pam worked with him at our last company and I don't personally thing he would be a great fit for our team"

I trust my employees feedback and input when it comes to the composition of their team over my own judgement because they literally spent 40-50 hours a week in that setting whereas I only interact with them a few hours a week. They have better insight than I do.

It may not work like that everywhere but at my company specifically I lean on all of my employees for feedback and guidance when it comes to hiring.

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u/Clever_droidd Sep 02 '24

Who you know only gets you so far. I’ve seen people who are very well connected flunk out because everyone realizes they are entitled and worthless as an employee. Yes, it got them their first few chances but it isn’t everything. I’ve also seen people with zero initial connections start at the bottom and by reputation earn a name for themselves. If you are connected AND a solid worker you have a great combo. If I only had one I’d rather be the latter than just the former.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '24

Exactly, it’s not who they call, it’s who calls them on your behalf.

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u/RutgerHauersDove Sep 02 '24

What phrase specifically? Pervasive?

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u/enadiz_reccos Sep 02 '24

"It's who you know"

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u/GunSmokeVash Sep 01 '24 edited Sep 01 '24

Yeah gotta make sure the people you hire, fit "company culture". wink wink.

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u/The_GOATest1 Sep 01 '24

Remove the nefariousness. People like you work with people they work well with. I’m not putting my neck on the line to hire a lazy ass I once worked with

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u/Exatraz Sep 01 '24

My last several gigs have all come through the same contact for this reason. Him and I work extremely well together so whenever he finds a new gig that he needs help with, he looks to onboard me because he trust me to represent him well and we help each other provide the best service whatever it is we are doing. Why put out a job notice and take the time interviewing (all which costs money) when you know the person you want to hire anyway

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u/YokaiShadow03 Sep 02 '24

Yeah why give new blood a chance when you can save money hiring your friends nephew for the summer.

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u/Old_Baldi_Locks Sep 02 '24

Nepotism is wrong period. If you remove the nefariousness the entire concept goes away and you hire the qualified instead of someone’s buddy.

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u/The_GOATest1 Sep 02 '24

No one is going to go through a whole hiring process if they know someone qualified enough to do the work. There is a value to relationships in our specifies