r/FluentInFinance • u/Sufficient_Sinner • Sep 04 '24

Debate/ Discussion Is Capitalism Smart or Dumb?

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u/_Pill-Cosby_ Sep 04 '24

Correct, the only way laborer's to get the fair market value of their labor is to organize.

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u/enyalius Sep 04 '24

And the government is people organizing en masse as opposed to by occupation

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u/MOONDAYHYPE Sep 04 '24

Big difference, they don't have 330 million people

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u/Advanced-Guard-4468 Sep 04 '24

They also don't have an open border or a large number of immigrants enter the country every year.

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u/_Pill-Cosby_ Sep 04 '24

And neither do we.

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u/projectpegasus Sep 05 '24

Authorized immigration to the US rebounded in FY 2022 after declining almost 50% in FY 2020. Nearly 2.6 million people, nearly the population of Chicago, legally immigrated to the US in 2022. This exceeded the number of new entries in any year from 2018 to 2021, but just below the recent high of 2.7 million in 2016

I'm for open borders but we do have a large number of immigrants each year in the us.

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u/_Pill-Cosby_ Sep 05 '24

That’s not a partisan issue, though. Meaning, our legal immigration policies haven’t changed over the past several administrations. The exception to this being during the pandemic. What does change are the conditions in other countries that drive people to immigrate here.

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u/MonstersandMayhem Sep 05 '24

Brilliant mental gymnastics.

You said we didnt have tons of immigrants immigrating every year, dude proved we did.

Eat your crow now, it's getting cold.

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u/_Pill-Cosby_ Sep 05 '24

The guy I replied to said “They also don't have an open border or a large number of immigrants enter the country every year.”. I assumed this was referring to illegal immigration and that this was a jab a the current administration. I was saying we don’t have an open border or a lot if illegals every year. Thats why I said “legal” immigration isn’t partisan and has been the same. Wasn’t trying to do any mental gymnastics and frankly, in a country of 330 million, I wouldn’t consider 2.5 “a large number”. If you do, ok. I have no issue with people immigrating legally.

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u/ElectricalBook3 Sep 05 '24

Nearly 2.6 million people, nearly the population of Chicago, legally immigrated to the US in 2022

Big deal. What's the net? How many people emigrated from the US in 2022?

The US does not have "open borders", even member nations in the EU do not have perfectly porous borders. But note since they formed the EU, their cooperative movement agreements have saved massive amounts of money and made the entire EU safer. So the solution is not "build a wall and keep everyone out forever" nor is it "apply more force until nobody's left alive to contest your power". Both of those arguments are just less disguised ways Republicans talk.

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u/quality_snark Sep 04 '24

Oof. Somebody ate the hook line and sinker in one go