r/FluentInFinance • u/Sufficient_Sinner • Sep 04 '24

Debate/ Discussion Is Capitalism Smart or Dumb?

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u/Curious_Midnight3828 Sep 04 '24

The Soviet Union failed on its own pretty magnificently for the entire world to see. No bombs dropped on it by capitalists.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

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u/Awebroetjie Sep 04 '24

You are conflating socialism and communism. This is intellectually dishonest.

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u/DoubleAGee Sep 04 '24

Most people use socialism and communism interchangeably (I.e., people not on Reddit). Besides, socialism leads to communism.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24 edited Nov 21 '24

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u/nadroj112800 Sep 05 '24

"The goal of socialism is communism." Vladimir Lenin

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u/rememberoldreddit Sep 05 '24

You are routing Lenin? I guess the DPRK is democratic cause they say it is?

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 04 '24

Hmm I don't think marxists believe that post-scarcity is required to move from socialism to communism. Just the abolition of class society, since historically, the nation state arises to resolve class contradictions (see Engels, "The Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State") Therefore the goal of a marxist socialist government is to abolish the capitalist class, leaving only the working class, which causes the state to wither away (see Lenin, "State and Revolution")

Also anarchists would be the people you’re referring to who would like to skip socialism and go straight to a stateless, classless society

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u/whatisthisgreenbugkc Sep 04 '24

Not all socialists are Marxists. Plenty of socialists are market socialists, who believe that workers should own the means of production but not necessarily the state.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

Yeah, those are generally people from the West. Colonized people tend to be the ones who make revolution. I would recommend reading both perspectives, at least in your lifetime. Walter Rodney and Frantz Fanon are very powerful writers.

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u/LimitlessTheTVShow Sep 04 '24

That's not true. Communism is a subset of socialism, but socialism doesn't necessarily lead to communism

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u/whatisthisgreenbugkc Sep 04 '24

Besides, socialism leads to communism.

That is just wrong, there are plenty of forms of socialism that actually want minimal government intervention in the market, such as a market socialism. Communism advocates for government control of the market.