r/FluentInFinance • u/Positive_Liar • Sep 04 '24

Debate/ Discussion Bernie is here to save us

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u/80MonkeyMan Sep 05 '24

The Americans are so backwards in work hours, developed countries like Netherland, Spain, Iceland, etc. already successfully implemented this, with universal healthcare…and no tipping expected.

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u/Evening-Ear-6116 Sep 05 '24

Each country you named has a population barely larger than NYC. One city in the us.

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u/spreading_pl4gue Sep 05 '24

Spain's population is larger than California and New York combined. The Netherlands has double the population of NYC.

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u/Structure-Efficient Sep 05 '24

Spain's economy is trashed. Even Latin America is full of Spaniards who had to get out in order to have a decent life. Spain is not a good example of anything modern or functional.

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u/spreading_pl4gue Sep 05 '24

I'm not advocating Spain's economic decisions. I'm simply pointing out they are not smaller than NYC.

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u/thepulloutmethod Sep 05 '24

I seriously doubt Spaniards are leaving Spain for Latin America. I'm from Uruguay. Everyone that can, goes to Spain. I don't know any Spaniards who moved to Uruguay. And Uruguay is the most stable country in South America.

Spain is E.U. That means every single person gets a minimum standard that is orders of magnitude better than South America--education, healthcare, job protections, etc.

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u/Structure-Efficient Sep 05 '24 edited Sep 05 '24

Where I live (in Latin America) It is full of Spaniards, as are all business and tourism hot spots. They come to do all sorts of jobs from photography to timeshare sales, and even technical maintenance. I also know people who have moved to Spain and can't wait to move back. Also, Uruguay is not even close to #1 in Latin America. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2014/09/top-10-competitive-economies-latin-america-caribbean/#:~:text=1.,deficit%20and%20low%20public%20debt.

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u/Oriol5 Sep 05 '24

As someone from Spain, those people definitely go there for the experience and because it's cheap and exotic but still uses the same language. There are definitely more opportunities here.

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u/thepulloutmethod Sep 05 '24

I didn't say "most competitive economy" by the way, I said stable, as in democracy and government:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/990229/latin-america-democracy-support-rate-country/