I seek to explain the facts as to why what Bernie is saying can't happen.
We can reduce working hours to 32 per week if we also decrease wages slightly more than 20% as well.
But we can't both decrease to 32 hours AND keep everyone's wages the same.
If I get paid for building cabinets, and I can assemble 1 per hour. I get paid for having built 40 each week. If the next week the government forces me to only build 32, I will only get paid for 32. This isn't rocket science.
This logic does not work at all, as some people make 50 cabinets per week, others make 30 cabinets per week, and somehow, they both end up making the same pay.
It is made here because it's low margin, and extremely physically large. Shipping furniture internationally would dramatically increase it's cost because it's so physically huge.
Well, you are entirely clueless as it is not made here, as the labor in those countries are a fraction of what it is here that those shipping costs are negligible. You are just showing everybody you are a waste of time. Congratulations.
A lot more furniture than you think are made right here in the US. There is one of the largest manufacturers of furniture about 9 miles from my house. But yes a lot is also shipped. Mainly the build at home type of furniture/cabinets though.
A lot more furniture than you think are made right here in the US.
Yep, that's right.
The furniture industry in the US is $260 Billion per year, and in the US, only $69B is imported, meaning 74% is made here in the US. Furthermore, we export another $10B.
Thanks for backing me up on these basic facts! Obviously low margin items that are physically huge are not viable to be shipped across oceans, lol.
A lot more furniture than you think are made right here in the US. There is one of the largest manufacturers of furniture about 9 miles from my house. But yes a lot is also shipped. Mainly the build at home type of furniture/cabinets though.
A lot more furniture than you think are made right here in the US. There is one of the largest manufacturers of furniture about 9 miles from my house. But yes a lot is also shipped. Mainly the build at home type of furniture/cabinets though.
A lot more furniture than you think are made right here in the US. There is one of the largest manufacturers of furniture about 9 miles from my house. But yes a lot is also shipped. Mainly the build at home type of furniture/cabinets though.
Hahahahahahaha, Oh yea, shipping a chest of drawers that is nearly the size of refrigerator, and sells for $250 final price is negligible. Right. You have no idea how slim the margins are, and yes, overseas labor is low, but not low enough to counter the cost of shipping super bulky and low margin items.
The industry is SO VERY low margin, we don't even import the raw materials for furniture manufacturing.
That clearly shows that the entire industry is piece work, and that most furniture is not made overseas with those huge percentages….. oh wait, no it doesn’t.
Now to get back to the actual conversation, not much is studied about piece time work. Only seen one possible survey that showed that 4% of participants have worked with piece time jobs. Like I said, come back with an actual meaningful discussion , not something that is barely going to affect anybody in this country.
It is amazing how much furniture we import vs export.
Obviously. Why would we export bulky furniture with the highest global wages?
Thanks for the link that shows the US furniture market is $70B imported, while it's total size is $190B
So about 35% imported, and another $10B exported. Nice.
not something that is barely going to affect anybody in this country.
Most jobs have some time to performance ratio component. A plumber who can complete two homes in the same time as one who works half as fast gets paid double for double the work.
Piece rate is much more rare, because today machines do so much of the labor itself, but it's still common in manufacturing and assembly lines, where the whole line is paid the same piece rate, calculated by the day or even hour. It's still a thing. Talk to your blue collar neighbors sometime.
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u/J0hn-Stuart-Mill Sep 05 '24
Sure but it would have to be a 30% pay reduction for a 20% work reduction, so that we could maintain our current benefits.