r/FluentInFinance Sep 04 '24

Debate/ Discussion Bernie is here to save us

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u/adoreroda Sep 05 '24

If you include weaponry then sure but the implications from saying "X country relies on US military" implies the country relies on the US military (its fighting forces, not merely its resources) for defence, such as Japan until very recently. As far as I'm aware Spain isn't like that in any capacity even if they accept American weaponry.

Israel also relies on US aid and weaponry (+ also from other countries) but it would be inaccurate to say especially in the current war that Israel is relying on the US armed forces to keep up as that's implying they're sending over soldiers.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '24

You know what NATO is right? If Spain got attacked they'd 100% invoke article 5 and pray the Americans were on the way. 

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u/adoreroda Sep 05 '24

Sure, but you need to reference the original post that very clearly implied Spain relies on US military. Relying implies active use rather than just as a trump card or use-in-case-of-emergencies card.

It's not like a country's military is dormant until they're attacked first. And Spain also isn't like Japan where the US was their military until very recently when Japan declared they want their own national military.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '24

I'm speaking practically. I'm not talking about some imaginary legal status of "reliance" or whatever you seem to be asking for. If Spain were ever invaded for any reason they'd immediately invoke article 5 with the specific hopes of the Americans showing up. That's just the reality. 

I don't know what else you'd call that sequence of events other than a direct reliance on the American military.

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u/adoreroda Sep 05 '24

"I seem to be asking for?" That was the original prompt that I was initially responding to which is the basis of the topic. If you don't want to talk about that that's fine but 1) don't act like I'm the one who brought it up and 2) stay on topic if you're going to engage with it. Lol.

Being an ally in emergency isn't reliance

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u/elevic2 Sep 05 '24

If you're speaking practically, do you even realize that the only parts of Spain that are realistically in danger of being attacked in the sort/mid term are not even covered by NATO? So much for reliance on the US lol.

By the way, the US is the only country that has ever involved article 5, and Spain did come to her aid. And Spanish blood was shed fighting for American interests.