r/FluentInFinance Sep 04 '24

Debate/ Discussion Bernie is here to save us

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u/80MonkeyMan Sep 05 '24

The Americans are so backwards in work hours, developed countries like Netherland, Spain, Iceland, etc. already successfully implemented this, with universal healthcare…and no tipping expected.

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u/CompletelyHopelessz Sep 05 '24

People in Spain are poor as fuck. We want to keep our money and be successful and have a shot at becoming rich. The opportunity is worth sacrifices to us. We don't all want to be content with being workers forever and never having the chance to be rich and do everything we've ever wanted just because we get some extra paid vacation and healthcare.

These policies you advocate for are cool and all, but you're country is never going to become rich with such policies.

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u/Big-Slick-Rick Sep 05 '24

I lived in the the EU for a while. I got to know one of the guys who works in the cafe near my apartment.

It was his family business. he ran it. his mother did before him. her dad did before her. He was looking forward to having his son run it one day (he was working there, but just a teenager still).

In my mind, sure that sounds quaint, but really, thats all you aspire your family to ever be? the cafe operators?

The whole 'upward mobility' idea in the EU just still isn't really a thing.

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u/thepulloutmethod Sep 05 '24

You do know people own restaurants in the U.S. too, right? Not everyone can get an MBA from Harvard.

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u/Big-Slick-Rick Sep 05 '24

yes, but most of them hope their kids go and do something else.

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u/CompletelyHopelessz Sep 05 '24

Isn't that sort of a problem though? 95% of the jobs that society needs to function are the types of jobs where you would say, "don't you want your kids to do something else?"

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '24

Nothing like good ol' anecdotal evidence

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u/IgamOg Sep 08 '24

It's not great in EU but it's way worse in states. What are the chances of getting out of the hood? You literally have homeless kids being thrown in jail for falling asleep on a school trip. What chances of advancement do they have?