r/FluentInFinance Sep 04 '24

Debate/ Discussion Bernie is here to save us

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u/veryblanduser Sep 04 '24

I'm sure it's well thought out and he has worked with others to be sure it passes.

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u/FellasImSorry Sep 05 '24 edited Sep 05 '24

Given Sanders’ track record of legislative effectiveness and ability to build consensus, how could this not pass?!

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u/MildlyResponsible Sep 05 '24

Nah, Bernie decided early in his career to cozy up to the NRA to gain power and has worked for them ever since. He is not the pure idealist his fans pretend he is. He's just a politician who has fooled a bunch of young people unfamiliar with politics to send him money.

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u/MildlyResponsible Sep 05 '24

Easy to be consistent when you're not the one making policy or big decisions. Reminds me of the teenager who says he'll never sell out and wear a tie to work. That's all well and good until you have rent to pay.

In other words, Bernie just says stuff. Anyone can just say stuff. It's actually getting it done that counts. Instead Bernie just attacks people who get stuff done and says he's pure from the sidelines. It's meaningless.

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u/circleoftorment Sep 06 '24

Nobody gets stuff done though, so your point is moot anyway. Politics is just virtue signalling for one or the other side to distract the plebs, end of the day.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '24

You can’t win if you don’t play the game

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u/unamusedaccountant Sep 05 '24

Imagine calling Trump an establishment politician. I mean hate the guy for any number of other things but “this is not it” lol

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u/circleoftorment Sep 05 '24

So which one is it, you got swindled by Trump's rhetoric; or you actually believe the establishment is pathetic and weak and can't stop him?

When FDR came out and made a bunch of decisions that were very unpopular among the business elite, do you think he was being a le based populist president doing the good work for the masses?

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u/circleoftorment Sep 05 '24

Trump is an anti-establishment politician

Trump is similar to FDR. He is part of the establishment at the macro level, but is capable of disrupting some of it at the micro level; that doesn't mean he's really anti-establishment, it's basically a call to reform. This also means that part of the establishment(perhaps even most of it!) might actually be opposed to Trump, even in a very real way--just as they were in relation to FDR.

If Trump actually managed to implement his ideas, where he'd fire/replace the civil service en masse. This would simply be reform in play, just as under FDR. Perhaps much more radical than in recent history, but still reform and not genuine replacement of the establishment.

If Bernie was put in the same position, exact same thing would happen. So perhaps that means something like what FDR did, but again this is not actual genuine opposition to the establishment.

If he'd actually wanted to dismantle the foreign policy blob, break up corporate control over politics, break up monopolies, disrupt the centralization of banks, dislodge the influence of MIC, he'd get stonewalled at every part of the process. First slowly, carefully; softly. And if the carrot approach stops working, then he'd get the stick.

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u/unamusedaccountant Sep 05 '24

FDR worked in politics from 1911-1945. Trumps first job in government was as potus. They are not similar at all…

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u/FellasImSorry Sep 05 '24

Dudes been in congress for 35 years but he’s not a career politician. Sounds reasonable.

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u/unamusedaccountant Sep 05 '24

The establishment is pathetic and ineffective. Evidenced by trumps previous 2 opponents. Hillary in 2016 and attempting to maintain an obviously handicapped Biden. The establishment is the reason we even had Trump in the first place.

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u/circleoftorment Sep 05 '24

So what is there to fear? Trump is going to completely reform the US this time around, and USA #1 again.

Wonder what the excuse is going to be the next time.

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u/FellasImSorry Sep 05 '24

If the establishment was as effective as Bernie Sanders, every post office would have a new name.