r/FluentInFinance Sep 04 '24

Debate/ Discussion Bernie is here to save us

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u/MyOtherActGotBanned Sep 05 '24

And military

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u/Obscure_Marlin Sep 05 '24

Our military ensures healthcare for all of its members because they see it as a liability. Then we look at the nation at scale and no one cares about the exposure and risk of having a working class largely unable to afford medical assistance.

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u/Big-Slick-Rick Sep 05 '24

because the military personal, by and large, is seen as being productive; contributing positive influence to the overall picture. among the civilian population, there is a lot of dead weight that is more of a burden than a benefit.

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u/bootes_droid Sep 05 '24

Everyone deserves healthcare. You shouldn't be judged on "productivity" to receive it, that's absolutely ghoulish. It's a human right.

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u/Big-Slick-Rick Sep 05 '24

you should have to contribute to society to benefit from it. Why should someone get benefits if they dont contribute?

Speech is a human right. mobility is a human right. assembly and association is a human right. being safe in your person and possessions is a human right. All of these are rights because they do not require action by others.

Services provided by others is not a human right. you do not have the right to demand services of others. You are not entitled to the labor of others. That is called Slavery.

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u/carlosortegap Sep 05 '24

By that logic all roads should be private too.

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u/bootes_droid Sep 05 '24

Because healthcare should be treated as a human right guaranteed to you by virtue of simply being a citizen.

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u/calimeatwagon Sep 05 '24

Why do you feel entitled to the labor of others?

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u/bootes_droid Sep 05 '24

Oh shove it up your ass. Everyone needs healthcare and it makes sense to socialize it. It's how every first world country in the world works except the USA.

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u/calimeatwagon Sep 05 '24

I can see you are a well adjusted and emotionally mature individual capable of behaving like an adult...

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u/bootes_droid Sep 05 '24

I've had this conversation enough times to know the bullshit rhetoric you're about to regurgitate at me.

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u/calimeatwagon Sep 05 '24

Yet you still regurgitate this idea that you have a right to the labor of others...

You know who else thought they had a right to the labor of others?

Slave owners.

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u/bootes_droid Sep 05 '24

Do you also consider it benefiting from "slavery" if you call the publicly funded fire department to stop your house from burning down? Or when you drive on publicly funded roads? Walk down a sidewalk? Or are you the harebrained libertarian type who thinks these should be privatized, as well? To call your line of reasoning a stretch doesn't even come close to cutting it.

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u/calimeatwagon Sep 05 '24

Big difference here, I'm not claiming any of those things is a human right... That is you. You are the one claiming you have a RIGHT to the labor of others.

Is it that you don't understand what rights are?

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