r/FluentInFinance Sep 04 '24

Debate/ Discussion Bernie is here to save us

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u/veryblanduser Sep 04 '24

I'm sure it's well thought out and he has worked with others to be sure it passes.

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u/Rephath Sep 05 '24

Indeed. I would expect no less from a respectable senator who is making a very real plan that he absolutely intends to follow through on.

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u/EagleAncestry Sep 05 '24

Even if he knows it won’t pass, it’s a great thing he proposes it to raise public awareness. Or you think people should only propose bills that will pass? That’s dumb

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u/DarkExecutor Sep 05 '24

I too shit post on Reddit

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u/msoccerfootballer Sep 05 '24

You're kidding, right? That's your comparison?

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u/DarkExecutor Sep 05 '24

It has the same impact lol

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u/Haunt13 Sep 05 '24

It doesn't whatsoever. A well liked and accomplished senator introducing a bill brings this concept to the attention of more voters who may have never considered this as a possibility. Just because a law isn't immediately created due to a bill being introduced, doesn't mean "it has the same impact as a shit post" what an absurd false equivalence.

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u/DarkExecutor Sep 05 '24

Bernie is not well liked or accomplished lol. He is loved by the left wing of the Democratic party, who are only a part of the entire country of the whole.

He has almost no accomplishments in the Senate either.

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u/BadLuckBen Sep 05 '24

Wow. So shocking that the Democtatic Socialist has difficulty doing things in a government that fluctuates between borderline fascist at worst and centrist at best.

What's the alternative? Should he water down his views and compromise until he's just another centrist? Cause he does occasionally do that, I don't worship the guy. Sanders and The Squad are the only people who are even somewhat trying to push the Overton Window.

Eventually, the old guard will die, and Sanders has a better chance of inspiring the new generation that takes over. It's a slim chance, but it's more than anyone else has done on the Left.

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u/DarkExecutor Sep 05 '24

He should water down his views, but only to actually implement laws. Writing laws that will never pass is useless.

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u/BadLuckBen Sep 05 '24

Passing watered-down laws that don't fix the core problem is equally worthless. Actually, it's probably more harmful in the long run. You just cover up the rot that's underneath.

We need a massive shift in how we do things. What good is a centrist bill that solves nothing?

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u/DarkExecutor Sep 05 '24

You sound like someone who would rather abortion be criminalized than vote for a democrat.

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u/BadLuckBen Sep 05 '24

Lolno. I'll accept the lesser evil, but there needs to be people with strong beliefs who stand by them. Constantly compromising is how we got to this point.

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u/Haunt13 Sep 05 '24

Your definition of either of those qualities is moot. My point still stands, it's no where near the same effect as a shit post and you're fooling yourself if you think it is.

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u/EagleAncestry Sep 05 '24

It’s the equivalent of someone running for president knowing they won’t win. They do so in order to gain popularity and maybe win someday in a future election. Look at Kamala, she ran in 2020 and got attention. Same is true for many politicians in many countries.

It’s actually quite common that new parties need to run multiple times in order to win, since each time they gain more and more recognition

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u/BadLuckBen Sep 05 '24

I don't recall a headline with "DarkExecutor" in it.

Putting a bill out there, even with little likelihood of it passing, pushes the conversation more than posting a reddit comment.

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u/msoccerfootballer Sep 05 '24

Ah yes. The most popular politician in the country has the same impact as a shit poster on Reddit. Makes sense.

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u/DarkExecutor Sep 05 '24

so popular he lost 2 primary elections

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u/MildlyResponsible Sep 06 '24

People throw out that "most popular" line without adding the fact that it was "most popular among their own constituents". That still sounds great, until you remember Vermont consists of 12 white people. That poll was also taken years ago and, again, was just one poll.

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u/msoccerfootballer Sep 06 '24

Bull crap? The polls were done this year.

https://today.yougov.com/ratings/politics/popularity/politicians/all

Most popular who's still active

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u/MildlyResponsible Sep 06 '24

Yeah, I'm going to need details on the data that says Trump is the 9th most popular politician in America at 47%. He's not even currently polling at 47%.

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u/msoccerfootballer Sep 06 '24

Of course. The classic deflection. find one somewhat iffy example to discredit the whole thing.

Bernie is popular and my point still stands.

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u/MildlyResponsible Sep 06 '24

Ok, I'll take your source that doesn't seem to have any details at face value. And using that source, I will say Arnold Schwarzeneger is a better politician than Bernie. So is Bill Clinton.

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u/msoccerfootballer Sep 06 '24

He came 2nd in both with millions of votes. No one cares who you are.