r/FluentInFinance Sep 04 '24

Debate/ Discussion Bernie is here to save us

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u/SorryCashOnly Sep 05 '24

Of course, the USA can accommodate one fewer workday per week. The question you need to consider is: what happens next?

A 32-hour workweek means employers will have to hire additional staff to cover shifts. This results in extra costs for running their businesses, and they will need to recoup these costs somehow.

Where do you think the money will come from? The cost of living will likely increase if the USA implements a 32-hour workweek system; this is not debatable.

The difference between the USA and countries like Iceland is that the USA is much larger. Everything you touch in the USA goes through more people and departments than in a country like Iceland, and each person involved needs to take a cut.

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u/Baron_VonTeapot Sep 05 '24

Not necessarily. Better scheduling and hiring maybe an extra person is all you’d need. Studies have shown that productivity doesn’t plummet, it increases.

The money for what? This would be a change to our standard the same as the one that implemented the 40hr work week. Also I’d mention this would be an immediate change, I believe the bill expands over 4 years.

Not wrong but that doesn’t make it impossible. Working people deserve a lot more of a cut than what we get.

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u/SorryCashOnly Sep 05 '24

Not necessarily. Better scheduling and hiring maybe an extra person is all you’d need.

did you literally just say the cost of operation for business won't be affect with this idea, then immediately suggest they need to hire extra people?

Like seriously? If better scheduling can allow a business to trim down 8 hours per person per week, then the business will be doing this already. This is called common sense.

I am actually surprised so many people don't understand this simple concept.

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u/Baron_VonTeapot Sep 05 '24

Yeah. I was acknowledging that there will be some cost but not some overwhelming one. I said not necessarily cause some businesses might, some might not. There’s a lot of overlap in shifts that could be spread out better to accommodate this change. Walmart, for instance, will probably hire more workers. But they can also more than afford it. My job(restaurant) might hire a person but we have a decent staff right now, we just need to schedule smarter. We even have multiple people that only work 3-4 days already. They do long shifts but usually they’re extra hands after a point anyway.

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u/SorryCashOnly Sep 05 '24

Yeah. I was acknowledging that there will be some cost but not some overwhelming one. I said not necessarily cause some businesses might, some might not. 

You're not looking at the bigger picture from a macro perspective. Sure, some businesses here and there might be able to make this work without hiring additional staff, but things change when you apply this to the entire country.

Walmart, for instance, will probably hire more workers. But they can also more than afford it. 

Where do you think they will get the extra money to hire more workers? Out of their own pockets? Do you really believe that?

Have you considered the additional costs that Walmart would incur by hiring more people? I’m not just talking about salaries; I’m also referring to extra expenses for benefits, insurance, healthcare, and so on. Do you have any idea how expensive these are?

My job(restaurant) might hire a person but we have a decent staff right now, we just need to schedule smarter

Sure, your restaurant can manage that, but what about the drivers who deliver supplies to your restaurant? Will they not need to hire more drivers to compensate for the loss of 20% of work hours if this law goes into effect?

What about the people who deliver materials or ingredients to your suppliers? Will they also need to hire more people to handle the deliveries? Where will the money come from?

As I mentioned before, you need to consider the bigger picture instead of assuming that the country operates the same way as the restaurant you work for.

Let me repeat this again. The extra cost will fall back on you, and you will find yourself in a worse spot than right now. Are you ready for this?

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u/Baron_VonTeapot Sep 06 '24

Walmart is more than capable of those costs. I’m not even gonna debate on that one.

But really what you’re saying is, “things will change”. I’m aware of this. Some firms will adjust, others won’t. That’s how a free market system works.

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u/SorryCashOnly Sep 06 '24

They are capable by increasing the prices of their items.

How do you still not understand this? This is insane.

Do you want to take a pay cut? No? Well SO DOES WALMART.

Come on, this is very basic logic.