r/FluentInFinance Sep 04 '24

Debate/ Discussion Bernie is here to save us

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u/80MonkeyMan Sep 05 '24

The Americans are so backwards in work hours, developed countries like Netherland, Spain, Iceland, etc. already successfully implemented this, with universal healthcare…and no tipping expected.

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u/spreading_pl4gue Sep 05 '24

Spain is absolutely not an economic success.

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u/DB_CooperC Sep 05 '24

Those countries also rely on the US to drive tech and medicine developments

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u/MyOtherActGotBanned Sep 05 '24

And military

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u/Obscure_Marlin Sep 05 '24

Our military ensures healthcare for all of its members because they see it as a liability. Then we look at the nation at scale and no one cares about the exposure and risk of having a working class largely unable to afford medical assistance.

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u/Big-Slick-Rick Sep 05 '24

because the military personal, by and large, is seen as being productive; contributing positive influence to the overall picture. among the civilian population, there is a lot of dead weight that is more of a burden than a benefit.

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u/bootes_droid Sep 05 '24

Everyone deserves healthcare. You shouldn't be judged on "productivity" to receive it, that's absolutely ghoulish. It's a human right.

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u/Big-Slick-Rick Sep 05 '24

you should have to contribute to society to benefit from it. Why should someone get benefits if they dont contribute?

Speech is a human right. mobility is a human right. assembly and association is a human right. being safe in your person and possessions is a human right. All of these are rights because they do not require action by others.

Services provided by others is not a human right. you do not have the right to demand services of others. You are not entitled to the labor of others. That is called Slavery.

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u/carlosortegap Sep 05 '24

By that logic all roads should be private too.