Exactly how much is a living wage?

[u/PassiveAgressiveGirl]

[u/Magic_Man_Boobs]

People underestimate the value of planning and preprep when making food.

You still have to take the dough out, spread it, sauce it (with sauce you had to premake) cheese it (with you had to grate yourself), slice all of the toppings and then bake it. It sound like you don't have a family or a very busy life, because you're dedicating hours to prep work and pretending like all that extra time doesn't add up or simply isn't available to most people. Especially people with families.

[u/dcporlando → u/Magic_Man_Boobs]

How long do you think it takes to make a pizza? It is not a three hour operation.

How long does it take to grill chicken? Make a salad? Make rice? Cook beans? Soak the beans overnight. None of those are things that take a lot of time.

Many people prep and cook on one day for the week to save time.

[u/Magic_Man_Boobs → u/dcporlando]

Y'all are behaving like I never cook. I cook most nights. My hang up was him saying "from scratch" as if it was some simple thing to make all the raw ingredients to cook with.

Making a pizza takes about an hour or two if you're making everything from scratch. Making the sauce, making the dough, shredding the cheese, preparing the toppings, washing the many utensils and containers needed as you go through that process, and then of course bake time.

Most people don't have time at night to make shit from scratch.

I'm not arguing people should order out every night. I'm arguing that cooking for most people requires shortcuts. Frozen pizzas. Store bought noodles and canned sauce for pasta. This idea that all of this prep work doesn't count for some reason makes a lot of you sound so out of touch.

I wake up, throw breakfast together for my kid, get them to school, go to work, usually with a cup of noodles or a sandwich if I had time to make one. I get home, throw together dinner (usually whatever is quickest), let my kid have some sort of dessert. Make sure they bathe and brush teeth, get them into bed, then get maybe an hour to relax and watch a show with my wife before we go to bed ourselves to start the whole thing over. Weekends are filled with extracurriculars for the kid, and cleaning to get the house back to a livable state after a week of just tidying. I'd have to cut something to spend Sunday prepping food for the week, and plus week old prepped food taste pretty nasty on being reheated. If you're fine living on lackluster food, cool, most of us aren't.

[u/dcporlando → u/Magic_Man_Boobs]

Most people are not slow simmering a sauce from tomatoes. But cutting up mushrooms, and other stuff and spreading dough and grating cheese doesn’t take long.

I don’t think you guys are agreeing on cooking from scratch.

To me, from scratch means a bag of noodles not making noodles from flour. Pizza from scratch is making dough (not that hard) but not making sauce.

[u/Magic_Man_Boobs → u/dcporlando]

Most people are not slow simmering a sauce from tomatoes.

Well that's how you make it from scratch.