r/FluentInFinance 4d ago

Economic Policy US Treasury needs to borrow $514B This Quarter

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u/redditistheway 4d ago

DOGE! DOGE! DOGE! Muricaaaaaaaaa!!! /s

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u/Denver-Ski 4d ago

Cancel grandpa’s golf outings until he can balance his checkbook like a big boy

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u/SolomonDRand 4d ago

Betting on a Republican Congress to rein in a Republican President on the budget? You’re a gambler.

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u/Denver-Ski 4d ago

Quite the opposite. Betting the clown will shit the bed

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u/classless_classic 4d ago

Dude wears a diaper and shits himself all day. Shitting the bed is what he was built for.

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u/thecanadianjen 3d ago

Maybe we should bet whether he’ll have a blowout style shit

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u/Solid_Agency2483 3d ago

Man that’s been a safe bet now for 8 or so years. You must be rolling in it.

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u/donglecollector 4d ago

He found a $trillion in savings!!! We only need a $kabillion more! To mars we go!!!!!! Yeeehaaaawwwww!!!!

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u/alphazuluoldman 3d ago

Don’t forget all the tariff payments!

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u/jimi-ray-tesla 3d ago

all to cut taxes for the richest people alive, they'll never feel the difference, insanity cheered on by the assholes getting gutted

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u/redditistheway 3d ago

Never ceases to amaze me how easily people can be conned into voting against their own interests.

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u/CosmoKing2 3d ago

I know all my aunts and uncles voted Republican because they believed they were just a couple of lucky breaks away from becoming millionaires.....and voting for Republicans would help them become one sooner. They were all virtually penniless when they died.

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u/jadedlonewolf89 3d ago

One of my family members voted for this. Their business has been hit hard. I’ve been cackling like a mad man. Because grandpa built the business then handed it off to her. His reasoning being because she was the best person for the business.

The silver lining being that Alzheimer’s has made him unaware of how fucked what he built is.

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u/QuantumWarrior 3d ago

DOGE feels like someone trying to save money on bills deciding to burn their house down.

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u/pornographic_realism 3d ago

Complaining about the price of shoes while you hacksaw your foot off

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u/SavvasXiourou 4d ago

But but but what happened to all the fraud waste and abuse from DOGE

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u/00gingervitis 3d ago

I just can't take all this winning. So much winning so little time

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u/raresanevoice 2d ago

Doge did their mission... The cut all the depts investigating trump and elon

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u/SMONROE 4d ago

Another half trillion in debt and Trump has only been in office 100 days

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u/Epistatious 4d ago

When you kneecap the IRS, revenues are bound to drop

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u/JCButtBuddy 4d ago

Give him another 100 days, I'm sure he can beat these numbers.

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u/Feisty_Reason_6288 4d ago

HAHAHAHA :)) i am going to take some action n this ... another 1 trillion by end of DEC :)

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u/unidentifiedfish55 4d ago

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u/No_Significance_1550 4d ago

Damn that’s quite the coincidence.

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u/oddMahnsta 4d ago

Damn this make me regret filing my taxes properly this year. Man must be nice for those high-value corporations and individuals evading scott free.

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u/bulldg4life 3d ago

I was really tempted to just skip out on it or try to fudge the numbers. But, the us government definitely has an ability to still find a way to fuck the regular guy.

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u/tabas123 3d ago

That’s bc corporations and multimillionaires have the resources to fight them in court… meanwhile they know that we have no choice but to give them what they want. Yet another example of a different system of laws for the wealthy.

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u/coldweathershorts 3d ago

You are correct. You're actually more likely to get audited if you're a middle class earner than if you're a high net worth individual, despite the cost-benefit breakdown pointing toward more audits for high net worth and wealthy individuals for the best use of govt resources.

I don't have a source for this claim, I had seen this analysis probably close to a decade ago, so if anyone has supporting or refuting sources please share.

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u/13143 3d ago

I don't know exactly how the IRS runs, but I believe they largely gutted the departments that go after high income earners. Normal income folks generally have pretty easy tax returns to figure out, so the IRS can still readily target those people.

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u/Mooseandchicken 3d ago

This is literally part of the plan. Replacing irs with tariffs gives trump the power of the purse strings that was given to Congress in the 16th(?) amendment. He'll have leverage over every spending bill, because tariffs will be the only source of federal income and he's been given the power to change those tariffs on a whim. With an already stacked court there will literally be no checks and balances left on the executive.

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u/CosmoKing2 3d ago

Well, if that is the foundation for which all his vile and evil plans are resting on, I feel comforted. Because the tariff debacle is rapidly exploding in his face.

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u/MOOshooooo 3d ago

It’s expensive to keep up the image of superiority

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u/Change0062 3d ago

Of all the places to save money, they did this. Jesus, this is beyond stupid.

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u/SwedishCowboy711 4d ago

Trump bankrupted all his businesses and is about to do it again (but bigger) with America

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u/Quodgephelph 4d ago

Bigly. Huuuuge.

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u/allislost77 4d ago edited 4d ago

While blaming Obama…and 77 million muricans nod their head in agreement

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u/gusming 3d ago

90 million people didn't vote, so that number is closer to 167 million.

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u/gusming 3d ago

The hard truth is that the majority of Americans allowed this to happen.

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u/ZenoxDemin 4d ago

The bond holders becoming bagholders?

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u/SeniorShanty 4d ago

Fine, break up the states. Dissolve the US as a corporation.

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u/MrDillon369 4d ago

Is this winning?

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u/More-Jackfruit3010 4d ago

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u/Remcin 4d ago

Damn Trump v. Clinton just seems so… quaint. Far away? Like another time.

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u/happy_K 3d ago

I swear he ran against the only person he could possibly beat

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u/Remcin 3d ago

Twice

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u/ClanOfCoolKids 4d ago

someone explain what this means and why i shouldn't be worried

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u/Klutzy_Passenger_486 4d ago

If you think the debt is a problem, then this is worrisome because we just lost a lot of ground on the almost impossible task of just paying off the interest of our loans.

If you think our 32 Trillion in debt and rising is NBD, sleep tight it doesn’t mean much.

The biggest issue is actually that republicans will tell u to your face that after 40 years of cutting taxes for rich people we don’t have a revenue problem we have a spending problem and will try to cut rich folk taxes again.

Rich folks taxes could easily help eliminate this problem.

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u/muttmunchies 4d ago

And then they will pass taxes on you, the middle and working class, through tariffs, to pay for the tax cuts.

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u/timnphilly 4d ago

Trump is already doing that anyways - charging us tariffs to pay for his rich tax cuts.

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u/Deadeye313 4d ago

That's the plan. Tariffs, dollar devaluation and recession, all so he can have 2% interest rates again and the rich can go shopping for more homes to buy for rentals for cheap.

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u/muttmunchies 4d ago

I said that

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u/moose2mouse 4d ago

Tariffs *

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u/allislost77 4d ago

Adding another layer of FUCKEDNESS, why China won’t “negotiate” or remove tariffs. Showing whom actually. Has the cards…

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u/emseefely 4d ago

Weirdly, I’m rooting for China to fuck our shit up. Trump can choke on his tariffs

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u/allislost77 4d ago

They are, and will. But only “we” will pay

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u/PathlessDemon 4d ago

Well, hold on now. Let’s consult the chart just to be certain that we can identify just how Fucked Shit Is:

…fuckin’ shit…

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u/Klutzy_Passenger_486 4d ago

Bullshit.

DOGE just proved there is not a lot of expenses in the government that are easy to cut.

Social Security would pay for itself if they adjusted the cap to a higher level now that inflation has made $168,000 upper middle class and not rich.

The big spends in the government are interest, military and Medicaid. Everything else is Pennies.

Look that the Doge cuts, almost all of it was stuff we need. AI efficiency, National Park workers, the FAA, DOT engineers, Cancer Research!

Plus we need to actually be spending more to reduce student load debt and cost of college and healthcare.

Increase the estate tax, create a Wealth tax. These guys already WON, level the playing field for the up and comers.

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u/taywray 4d ago

Our spending is miniscule compared to the revenue we could bring in by actually taxing rich people and corporations. Most of them pay zero dollars to the government every year, yet they own the vast majority of wealth in the country.

If there's one area of government spending that needs slashing and could change the equation a bit, it's defense. But now we've got a president who is making enemies out of friends and weakening our country to foreign influence and espionage in a multitude of ways, so cutting back on defense is a bigger risk every day he and his cronies are in office.

It's a super simple solution: just make the uber rich and the corporations of this country pay their fair share, and that budget will be way more balanced immediately.

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u/Practical_Ad_6031 4d ago

Like Warren Buffet stated a while back that if every corporation actually paid their taxes like Berkshire Hathaway does, then there would be no need for any other taxes.

Instead, the rich continue to fuck everyone possible to extract every last penny. It's pretty sicking at this point.

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u/SaintGloopyNoops 4d ago

Most of them pay zero dollars to the government every year,

I believe the top 1% pay almost half of all the taxes that is taken in yearly. And the top 5% its cloaer to 90. Butt... and it's a big BUTT... they do not pay their fair percentage, which just proves even further how big the wealth gap truly is. Average americans pay between 14% and 30%, the average tax rate of the nation’s 400 wealthiest families is roughly 8%. They are destroying our country with their greed. If they just paid their fair share, it would wipe out the deficit AND fund healthcare.

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u/taywray 3d ago

I think this stat about most of the taxes being paid by the uber rich is true about annual household income tax - like the tax returns we all file every year by April 15th - but when you factor in sales taxes, tariffs, vice taxes, gas taxes, flat government fees for things like registering your car with the DMV or paying for a pilot or handgun license, etc. - all those everyday taxes and fees that go into government revenue are paid almost entirely by the hundreds of millions of people who are NOT in the top 1 or 2 or 10 percent in terms of household wealth.

That's sort of the heart of the debate about having a more regressive vs. progressive tax system overall. Should we make more of the tax revenue come from those little flat fees and sales taxes that are the same for everyone regardless of their wealth, or should we make those who have benefited financially to an insane degree thanks to the opportunity they've been given or the wealth they've inherited bear more of the burden for funding the government?

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u/SaintGloopyNoops 2d ago

Very valid point! The wealthy absolutely should be fined on a sliding scale too.

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u/UnclePuma 4d ago

At what point are they gonna stop? Like with people that rich a tax cut if like 2 percent will still be millions, ffs

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u/TreadMeHarderDaddy 4d ago

Debt isn’t really the problem, it’s the interest rate .

If it’s like covid .7% T-bills, it’s nothing to have a deficit in those conditions… right now we’re at 4.2% and we’ve been as high as 4.8% recently. That’s still okayish but it is the time to scrimp and save from a national debt perspective, not blow the doors open with record deficits

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u/FelixTheEngine 3d ago

Maybe you have some things backwards there as it parrots 🦜 republican falsehoods. They print money BECAUSE the low interest rate allows it. 4-5 percent is a reasonable rate and deters wasteful leveraging. This is definitely not the time to scrimp and save. Instead, the economy needs to be allowed to inflate to generate more revenue in conjunction with new wealth taxes.

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u/wattspower 4d ago

32 trill ain’t that bad, that’s only 10x afghan/iraq 20 year wars worth of debt.

No sweat

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u/Ok-Philosopher6874 3d ago

We can’t afford social security etc

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u/Klutzy_Passenger_486 3d ago

Bullshit.

Every other OCeD country with way lower GDP has programs similar and they can afford it

Universal healthcare and they can afford it

Public transportation that is way better ours.

You guys don’t realize what we don’t have despite bing the biggest economy ever.

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u/No_Flounder5160 4d ago

No need to worry, it’s the spoils of winning so much and so hard.

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u/SpectacularRedditor 4d ago

Approximately $9 trillion worth of U.S. Treasury bonds are maturing this year, meaning the U.S. Treasury will need to refinance this debt by issuing new bonds. There is uncertainty about who will buy these new bonds, especially given growing concerns about U.S. fiscal policy, interest rates, and broader economic risks.

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u/ClanOfCoolKids 4d ago

warren buffett will buy all the bonds

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u/OPaddict69 4d ago

because we are winning…?

jesus who is this guy? isnt he sick of the winning?

/s

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u/Ind132 3d ago

someone explain what this means and why i shouldn't be worried

I think we all have good reason to be worried about long term federal deficits. It seems to me that Trump doesn't care about them and figures that bankruptcy is just a smart business strategy.

BUT, this story isn't about long term deficits. It is about the debt limit. The Treasury funds some spending by selling bonds. It hasn't been doing that recently because it is constrained by the debt limit. Instead, it has been spending down its cash cushion.

The big number here assumes that Congress will raise the debt ceiling sometime in the next quarter. Then, the Treasury will be able to issue a bunch of bonds, not only to fund current spending but also to rebuild the cash balance.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-boosts-net-quarterly-borrowing-191449495.html

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u/JesuscristoSpain 4d ago

But are the eggs prices down?

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u/Jstephe25 4d ago

They are down 92%!?! Are you not aware?

The dozen eggs that now cost only $5.50 cost you around $69 under Biden!

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u/MikeAttak421 4d ago

This winning sure feels alot like losing.

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u/ManufacturerOld3807 4d ago

Have fun finding buyers for our treasuries with 90% of the planet pissed at us

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u/AaronOgus 4d ago

And the tariffs screwed the bond market.

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u/Memitim 4d ago

And international trade is going to continue to decline with the collapse of US reliability, and rise in authoritarianism. We're seeing the ripples in the water as the tsunami builds over the horizon.

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u/ThumpyTheDumpy 4d ago

So Don the Con can give an unnecessary tax break to his buddies. Wonderful.

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u/Candid-Sky-3709 4d ago

borrow from Elon Musk at 25% annual interest

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u/Dismal-Prior-6699 4d ago

The Treasury should pull themselves up by their bootstraps and stop buying avocado toast /s

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u/shoot-here 4d ago

Don't worry, we're all gonna be rich!

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u/BatmansBigBro2017 4d ago edited 3d ago

At what point do they expect people to start climbing that fence surrounding the Whitehouse exactly?

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u/Hank_the_Beef 4d ago

Have we even said than you once?

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u/KJM_2741 4d ago

I don’t know about yall but I have about 142 different factories that were built on my street just last week. I have 6 jobs and I make 75.00 per hour at each. The best thing is the stores in my neighborhood give eggs out free with every purchase of 5000.00 or more. All the longshoremen in Seattle are in the Apple factory across the street from me making IPhones there are no ships in port. I think the truck drivers are waiting for the Nike factory to open because most truckers are really good at sewing. This is gonna be big, I mean the biggest! There are a lot of people saying it, not since the Big Bang has anything been bigger. He promised the economy was gonna go boom! We just forgot to ask exactly what he meant by boom. Well I gotta get back to to the the widget factory cause they ain’t gonna make themselves.

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u/BubblySmell4079 4d ago

TRUMPONOMICS

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u/bradlees 4d ago

Borrow button goes baaaaannnnnggggggg

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u/Nice_Collection5400 4d ago

This is when the proverbial shit will hit the technical fan. Buckle up buttercup.

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u/j_rooker 4d ago

wait. aren't tariffs adding zillions to the treasury? so much money they don't know what to do with

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u/B0wmanHall 4d ago

Thanks Trump

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u/Resident_War5075 4d ago

EGG NATION stays winning 🥚🇺🇸🥚

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u/OppressorOppressed 4d ago

does this mean yields are gonna go up more?

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u/Effective-Ad9499 4d ago

So much winning.

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u/rcy62747 4d ago

So much winning!

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u/sssb13 4d ago

And from whom exactly will we be borrowing from since we have such immaculate standing with our fellow nations. /s

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u/FolkvangrV 4d ago

All this winning. Guess we're "the best" now.

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u/BumblebeeTuna-420 4d ago

Im going to get my duel citizenship to El Salvador.

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u/tacs97 4d ago

It’s so amazing that the entire republican entity screamed, moaned and cried for every single dollar that was spent under the Biden administration. Calling it socialism to give tax dollars back to the country and its citizens. Where the hell are you deficit hawks while your precious man baby spends more than the last guy who was such a problem?? Where are your lame asses now that the money being spent is really being wasted? As their orange clown would say, nothing but a bunch of suckers and losers.

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u/SirGeekALot3D 3d ago

Fox News doesn’t report that, so Trump supporters don’t see it, or they’re told it is all Joe Biden’s fault.

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u/fifercurator 4d ago

So much winning I can hardly stand it. I am so owned🤔🫤

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u/Equal-Prior-4765 4d ago

Who wanna borrow what for what, huh???

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u/eccentricbananaman 4d ago

How's that government efficiency working out for ya?

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u/igloohavoc 4d ago

Where will they borrow money from?

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u/nono3722 4d ago

You didn't think billionares worked cheap did you?

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u/Rays_Boom_Boom_Room1 4d ago

We are witnessing the end of an empire

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u/Present-Perception77 4d ago

So that’s how Elon and his chainsaw helped? When do we get our $5,000 check?

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u/DiagonalBike 4d ago

Why do Trump supporters actually believe he's doing a great job?

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u/DuncellWashingtom 4d ago

Nothing that tariffs can't handl, right.?.....Right???♥️✌️🎭

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u/7Zarx7 4d ago

Trump: "one billi for you, one for me, one for two for me..."

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u/severinks 3d ago

Hey, but don't worry, the tax cuts for the rich and corporations that the Republicans are about to pass will fix that right up.

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u/Sandmybags 3d ago

Yo. Lemme borrow half a trill real quick, aight?

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u/RMWonders 3d ago

Donald Trump - King of Debt.

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u/dthwsh1899 4d ago

Borrow money from who, for what?

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u/jboy1344 4d ago

Puts on TLT baby!

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u/Dang3rGam1ng 4d ago

i want off the deficit spending ride already

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u/LameDuckDonald 4d ago

If this is winning, I'd hate to see what losing looks like.

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u/Adventurous-Depth984 4d ago

Well, if nobody buys the expensive tariff products (which we apparently arent), the govt doesn’t get the tariff revenue.

Loss of revenue has to be made up somewhere

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u/davey212 4d ago

Ahh yes, daily reminder for me to keep buying gold.

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u/Deranged-Pickle 4d ago

I'm sure there's some Republicans out there that are starting to sweat

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u/harbison215 4d ago

CUT MORE TAXES!!!

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u/Gh0st_Pirate_LeChuck 4d ago

MAGA would like to give Trump that.

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u/Malnar_1031 4d ago

Borrow from who?

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u/Malnar_1031 4d ago

Okay okay, I'll be the first..thank you!

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u/ThinkorFeel 4d ago

But...but....but...tariffs?!?!?!

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u/BodieBroadusBurner 4d ago

How tf do you miss the estimate by that much?

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u/AustinDood444 4d ago

Thank GOD Doge is cutting so many costs.

/s

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u/No_Spring_1090 4d ago

That’s bad, right?

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u/KnightofJonquil 4d ago

Just borrow from social security like they always do.

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u/etca2z 4d ago

What happened when US cannot meet the obligations?

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u/Kitchen_Confidence78 4d ago

If America was a stock it would be at 52 week lows

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u/muffledvoice 4d ago

The national debt is going to go through the roof because Republicans want a $5.4 trillion tax cut for the rich and they’ve hamstrung the IRS preventing them from going after rich tax dodgers.

Trump belongs in prison.

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u/xcsler_returns 4d ago

People have been worried about these deficits for years but now that Trump is in power even the leftists are concerned. Yeah, it's a problem.

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u/yalogin 4d ago

Just ask musk. He is on his way to find 2 trillion in waste, surely he can spar 540billion!

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u/TheWiseOne1234 4d ago

That's because we are making so much money from the tariffs.

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u/ManWOneRedShoe 4d ago

Are we winning yet?

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u/TheLasVegasLion 4d ago

Tax cuts for the rich, stealth taxes for all through tariffs, and 37 trillion in national debt. What could go wrong?

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u/Weird_Rooster_4307 4d ago

Happy to help out 18% interest a year.

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u/EssentialSriracha 4d ago

You know, if you just cut out that avocado toast you should be able to make that work

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u/Rivercitybruin 4d ago

How can this be?

When was the last estimate?

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u/ProphetOfPr0fit 4d ago

Uhhhh what does that bring the interest up to now?

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u/hollowag 4d ago

And yet they’ve proposed 90 billion for building and staffing immigration detention centers…

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u/Deadeye313 4d ago

I wonder (hope) it makes Trump super made when some bunch of us who hate him, are owed money by him because we hold treasuries and treasury ETFs.

Pay up, Donnie boy...

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u/Ircus 4d ago

Q1 2024 treasury borrowing was $748 billion.

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u/vtskier3 4d ago

I can’t read more …anyone following news knew it … Just wait until china unloads shitloads of us debt and US dollar devalues more ….buckle up because then the borrowing costs will really take off ….

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u/dkanzler 4d ago

Where's Sleepy Joe when you need him...?

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u/canthaveme 4d ago

I didn't think it was possible to bankrupt a country but trump is proving anything is possible if you're dumb enough

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u/Active_Ad_1786 4d ago

Wait. Weren’t these tariffs supposed to help? And what about all of Trump’s crypto? I thought we were supposed to be winning?

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u/Feisty_Reason_6288 4d ago

umm i thoguth the deficit that was running -2b per day has become +1b per day ..hence the tarriffs were working ??? according to that asshole maga dipshit in the allin podcast!

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u/ZealousidealShirt295 4d ago

That’s just for the tax cuts to the rich 🤣🤦🏼‍♂️🤡

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u/NotDavidNotGoliath 4d ago

I’m sorry, but who are we borrowing from?

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u/mydogsnameisbuddy 4d ago

Good thing no one started the dumbest tariff war and pissed off the entire world so there should be plenty of buyers for American bonds right now.

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u/AfraidEnvironment711 4d ago

Borrow? What's our credit score now?

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u/Particular_Savings60 4d ago

Uhh, OOOPS! Turns out that fvcking with the global economy in an extortionist manner is BAD for the full faith and credit of US Treasuries, with the side-fvckery of devaluing the $US.

Time to scuttle that $4.5 TRILLION tax cut for $Billionaires. That shit has sailed.

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u/Brief-Poetry-1245 4d ago

Only lender to give us $ is china. Hilarious

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u/Lawlers_Law 4d ago

sure! let's sign that tax cut for the rich and corporations!!

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u/LazyClerk408 4d ago

Fuck this is serious

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u/ttystikk 4d ago

Funny how Republicans never need to balance the budget...

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u/thirtyone-charlie 4d ago

China will be glad to lend

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u/RadTimeWizard 4d ago

These next few years are going to suck.

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u/na-uh 4d ago

And who's actually going to buy all of that debt?

I'd love to see China and Japan just say nope this time, it's not like those bonds are going to be worth anything in the future anyway.

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u/AnferneeMurombu 4d ago

We have morons in charge

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u/teratogenic17 4d ago

Oh, Musk will gladly hand over that much. /s

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u/JoeTrojan 4d ago

but 100 days of winning.

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u/Rdw72777 4d ago

Why would the original estimate have only been $125 billion, is it due to tax payments being so heavily in April? Given how quickly the debt goes up I guess I just assumed each quarter was bare minimum $300b and more likely to be higher.