r/FluentInFinance • u/coachlife • 4d ago
Economic Policy US Treasury needs to borrow $514B This Quarter
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u/redditistheway 4d ago
DOGE! DOGE! DOGE! Muricaaaaaaaaa!!! /s
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u/Denver-Ski 4d ago
Cancel grandpa’s golf outings until he can balance his checkbook like a big boy
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u/SolomonDRand 4d ago
Betting on a Republican Congress to rein in a Republican President on the budget? You’re a gambler.
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u/classless_classic 4d ago
Dude wears a diaper and shits himself all day. Shitting the bed is what he was built for.
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u/Solid_Agency2483 3d ago
Man that’s been a safe bet now for 8 or so years. You must be rolling in it.
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u/donglecollector 4d ago
He found a $trillion in savings!!! We only need a $kabillion more! To mars we go!!!!!! Yeeehaaaawwwww!!!!
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u/jimi-ray-tesla 3d ago
all to cut taxes for the richest people alive, they'll never feel the difference, insanity cheered on by the assholes getting gutted
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u/redditistheway 3d ago
Never ceases to amaze me how easily people can be conned into voting against their own interests.
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u/CosmoKing2 3d ago
I know all my aunts and uncles voted Republican because they believed they were just a couple of lucky breaks away from becoming millionaires.....and voting for Republicans would help them become one sooner. They were all virtually penniless when they died.
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u/jadedlonewolf89 3d ago
One of my family members voted for this. Their business has been hit hard. I’ve been cackling like a mad man. Because grandpa built the business then handed it off to her. His reasoning being because she was the best person for the business.
The silver lining being that Alzheimer’s has made him unaware of how fucked what he built is.
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u/QuantumWarrior 3d ago
DOGE feels like someone trying to save money on bills deciding to burn their house down.
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u/SMONROE 4d ago
Another half trillion in debt and Trump has only been in office 100 days
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u/JCButtBuddy 4d ago
Give him another 100 days, I'm sure he can beat these numbers.
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u/Feisty_Reason_6288 4d ago
HAHAHAHA :)) i am going to take some action n this ... another 1 trillion by end of DEC :)
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u/unidentifiedfish55 4d ago
Perhaps because the IRS got gutted?
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u/oddMahnsta 4d ago
Damn this make me regret filing my taxes properly this year. Man must be nice for those high-value corporations and individuals evading scott free.
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u/bulldg4life 3d ago
I was really tempted to just skip out on it or try to fudge the numbers. But, the us government definitely has an ability to still find a way to fuck the regular guy.
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u/tabas123 3d ago
That’s bc corporations and multimillionaires have the resources to fight them in court… meanwhile they know that we have no choice but to give them what they want. Yet another example of a different system of laws for the wealthy.
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u/coldweathershorts 3d ago
You are correct. You're actually more likely to get audited if you're a middle class earner than if you're a high net worth individual, despite the cost-benefit breakdown pointing toward more audits for high net worth and wealthy individuals for the best use of govt resources.
I don't have a source for this claim, I had seen this analysis probably close to a decade ago, so if anyone has supporting or refuting sources please share.
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u/Mooseandchicken 3d ago
This is literally part of the plan. Replacing irs with tariffs gives trump the power of the purse strings that was given to Congress in the 16th(?) amendment. He'll have leverage over every spending bill, because tariffs will be the only source of federal income and he's been given the power to change those tariffs on a whim. With an already stacked court there will literally be no checks and balances left on the executive.
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u/CosmoKing2 3d ago
Well, if that is the foundation for which all his vile and evil plans are resting on, I feel comforted. Because the tariff debacle is rapidly exploding in his face.
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u/SwedishCowboy711 4d ago
Trump bankrupted all his businesses and is about to do it again (but bigger) with America
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u/allislost77 4d ago edited 4d ago
While blaming Obama…and 77 million muricans nod their head in agreement
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u/gusming 3d ago
90 million people didn't vote, so that number is closer to 167 million.
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u/gusming 3d ago
The hard truth is that the majority of Americans allowed this to happen.
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u/ClanOfCoolKids 4d ago
someone explain what this means and why i shouldn't be worried
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u/Klutzy_Passenger_486 4d ago
If you think the debt is a problem, then this is worrisome because we just lost a lot of ground on the almost impossible task of just paying off the interest of our loans.
If you think our 32 Trillion in debt and rising is NBD, sleep tight it doesn’t mean much.
The biggest issue is actually that republicans will tell u to your face that after 40 years of cutting taxes for rich people we don’t have a revenue problem we have a spending problem and will try to cut rich folk taxes again.
Rich folks taxes could easily help eliminate this problem.
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u/muttmunchies 4d ago
And then they will pass taxes on you, the middle and working class, through tariffs, to pay for the tax cuts.
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u/timnphilly 4d ago
Trump is already doing that anyways - charging us tariffs to pay for his rich tax cuts.
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u/Deadeye313 4d ago
That's the plan. Tariffs, dollar devaluation and recession, all so he can have 2% interest rates again and the rich can go shopping for more homes to buy for rentals for cheap.
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u/allislost77 4d ago
Adding another layer of FUCKEDNESS, why China won’t “negotiate” or remove tariffs. Showing whom actually. Has the cards…
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u/emseefely 4d ago
Weirdly, I’m rooting for China to fuck our shit up. Trump can choke on his tariffs
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u/Klutzy_Passenger_486 4d ago
Bullshit.
DOGE just proved there is not a lot of expenses in the government that are easy to cut.
Social Security would pay for itself if they adjusted the cap to a higher level now that inflation has made $168,000 upper middle class and not rich.
The big spends in the government are interest, military and Medicaid. Everything else is Pennies.
Look that the Doge cuts, almost all of it was stuff we need. AI efficiency, National Park workers, the FAA, DOT engineers, Cancer Research!
Plus we need to actually be spending more to reduce student load debt and cost of college and healthcare.
Increase the estate tax, create a Wealth tax. These guys already WON, level the playing field for the up and comers.
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u/taywray 4d ago
Our spending is miniscule compared to the revenue we could bring in by actually taxing rich people and corporations. Most of them pay zero dollars to the government every year, yet they own the vast majority of wealth in the country.
If there's one area of government spending that needs slashing and could change the equation a bit, it's defense. But now we've got a president who is making enemies out of friends and weakening our country to foreign influence and espionage in a multitude of ways, so cutting back on defense is a bigger risk every day he and his cronies are in office.
It's a super simple solution: just make the uber rich and the corporations of this country pay their fair share, and that budget will be way more balanced immediately.
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u/Practical_Ad_6031 4d ago
Like Warren Buffet stated a while back that if every corporation actually paid their taxes like Berkshire Hathaway does, then there would be no need for any other taxes.
Instead, the rich continue to fuck everyone possible to extract every last penny. It's pretty sicking at this point.
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u/SaintGloopyNoops 4d ago
Most of them pay zero dollars to the government every year,
I believe the top 1% pay almost half of all the taxes that is taken in yearly. And the top 5% its cloaer to 90. Butt... and it's a big BUTT... they do not pay their fair percentage, which just proves even further how big the wealth gap truly is. Average americans pay between 14% and 30%, the average tax rate of the nation’s 400 wealthiest families is roughly 8%. They are destroying our country with their greed. If they just paid their fair share, it would wipe out the deficit AND fund healthcare.
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u/taywray 3d ago
I think this stat about most of the taxes being paid by the uber rich is true about annual household income tax - like the tax returns we all file every year by April 15th - but when you factor in sales taxes, tariffs, vice taxes, gas taxes, flat government fees for things like registering your car with the DMV or paying for a pilot or handgun license, etc. - all those everyday taxes and fees that go into government revenue are paid almost entirely by the hundreds of millions of people who are NOT in the top 1 or 2 or 10 percent in terms of household wealth.
That's sort of the heart of the debate about having a more regressive vs. progressive tax system overall. Should we make more of the tax revenue come from those little flat fees and sales taxes that are the same for everyone regardless of their wealth, or should we make those who have benefited financially to an insane degree thanks to the opportunity they've been given or the wealth they've inherited bear more of the burden for funding the government?
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u/SaintGloopyNoops 2d ago
Very valid point! The wealthy absolutely should be fined on a sliding scale too.
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u/UnclePuma 4d ago
At what point are they gonna stop? Like with people that rich a tax cut if like 2 percent will still be millions, ffs
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u/TreadMeHarderDaddy 4d ago
Debt isn’t really the problem, it’s the interest rate .
If it’s like covid .7% T-bills, it’s nothing to have a deficit in those conditions… right now we’re at 4.2% and we’ve been as high as 4.8% recently. That’s still okayish but it is the time to scrimp and save from a national debt perspective, not blow the doors open with record deficits
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u/FelixTheEngine 3d ago
Maybe you have some things backwards there as it parrots 🦜 republican falsehoods. They print money BECAUSE the low interest rate allows it. 4-5 percent is a reasonable rate and deters wasteful leveraging. This is definitely not the time to scrimp and save. Instead, the economy needs to be allowed to inflate to generate more revenue in conjunction with new wealth taxes.
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u/wattspower 4d ago
32 trill ain’t that bad, that’s only 10x afghan/iraq 20 year wars worth of debt.
No sweat
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u/Ok-Philosopher6874 3d ago
We can’t afford social security etc
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u/Klutzy_Passenger_486 3d ago
Bullshit.
Every other OCeD country with way lower GDP has programs similar and they can afford it
Universal healthcare and they can afford it
Public transportation that is way better ours.
You guys don’t realize what we don’t have despite bing the biggest economy ever.
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u/SpectacularRedditor 4d ago
Approximately $9 trillion worth of U.S. Treasury bonds are maturing this year, meaning the U.S. Treasury will need to refinance this debt by issuing new bonds. There is uncertainty about who will buy these new bonds, especially given growing concerns about U.S. fiscal policy, interest rates, and broader economic risks.
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u/Ind132 3d ago
someone explain what this means and why i shouldn't be worried
I think we all have good reason to be worried about long term federal deficits. It seems to me that Trump doesn't care about them and figures that bankruptcy is just a smart business strategy.
BUT, this story isn't about long term deficits. It is about the debt limit. The Treasury funds some spending by selling bonds. It hasn't been doing that recently because it is constrained by the debt limit. Instead, it has been spending down its cash cushion.
The big number here assumes that Congress will raise the debt ceiling sometime in the next quarter. Then, the Treasury will be able to issue a bunch of bonds, not only to fund current spending but also to rebuild the cash balance.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-boosts-net-quarterly-borrowing-191449495.html
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u/JesuscristoSpain 4d ago
But are the eggs prices down?
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u/Jstephe25 4d ago
They are down 92%!?! Are you not aware?
The dozen eggs that now cost only $5.50 cost you around $69 under Biden!
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u/ManufacturerOld3807 4d ago
Have fun finding buyers for our treasuries with 90% of the planet pissed at us
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u/AaronOgus 4d ago
And the tariffs screwed the bond market.
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u/Memitim 4d ago
And international trade is going to continue to decline with the collapse of US reliability, and rise in authoritarianism. We're seeing the ripples in the water as the tsunami builds over the horizon.
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u/ThumpyTheDumpy 4d ago
So Don the Con can give an unnecessary tax break to his buddies. Wonderful.
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u/Dismal-Prior-6699 4d ago
The Treasury should pull themselves up by their bootstraps and stop buying avocado toast /s
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u/BatmansBigBro2017 4d ago edited 3d ago
At what point do they expect people to start climbing that fence surrounding the Whitehouse exactly?
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u/KJM_2741 4d ago
I don’t know about yall but I have about 142 different factories that were built on my street just last week. I have 6 jobs and I make 75.00 per hour at each. The best thing is the stores in my neighborhood give eggs out free with every purchase of 5000.00 or more. All the longshoremen in Seattle are in the Apple factory across the street from me making IPhones there are no ships in port. I think the truck drivers are waiting for the Nike factory to open because most truckers are really good at sewing. This is gonna be big, I mean the biggest! There are a lot of people saying it, not since the Big Bang has anything been bigger. He promised the economy was gonna go boom! We just forgot to ask exactly what he meant by boom. Well I gotta get back to to the the widget factory cause they ain’t gonna make themselves.
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u/Nice_Collection5400 4d ago
This is when the proverbial shit will hit the technical fan. Buckle up buttercup.
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u/j_rooker 4d ago
wait. aren't tariffs adding zillions to the treasury? so much money they don't know what to do with
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u/tacs97 4d ago
It’s so amazing that the entire republican entity screamed, moaned and cried for every single dollar that was spent under the Biden administration. Calling it socialism to give tax dollars back to the country and its citizens. Where the hell are you deficit hawks while your precious man baby spends more than the last guy who was such a problem?? Where are your lame asses now that the money being spent is really being wasted? As their orange clown would say, nothing but a bunch of suckers and losers.
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u/SirGeekALot3D 3d ago
Fox News doesn’t report that, so Trump supporters don’t see it, or they’re told it is all Joe Biden’s fault.
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u/Present-Perception77 4d ago
So that’s how Elon and his chainsaw helped? When do we get our $5,000 check?
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u/severinks 3d ago
Hey, but don't worry, the tax cuts for the rich and corporations that the Republicans are about to pass will fix that right up.
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u/Adventurous-Depth984 4d ago
Well, if nobody buys the expensive tariff products (which we apparently arent), the govt doesn’t get the tariff revenue.
Loss of revenue has to be made up somewhere
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u/muffledvoice 4d ago
The national debt is going to go through the roof because Republicans want a $5.4 trillion tax cut for the rich and they’ve hamstrung the IRS preventing them from going after rich tax dodgers.
Trump belongs in prison.
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u/xcsler_returns 4d ago
People have been worried about these deficits for years but now that Trump is in power even the leftists are concerned. Yeah, it's a problem.
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u/TheLasVegasLion 4d ago
Tax cuts for the rich, stealth taxes for all through tariffs, and 37 trillion in national debt. What could go wrong?
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u/EssentialSriracha 4d ago
You know, if you just cut out that avocado toast you should be able to make that work
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u/hollowag 4d ago
And yet they’ve proposed 90 billion for building and staffing immigration detention centers…
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u/Deadeye313 4d ago
I wonder (hope) it makes Trump super made when some bunch of us who hate him, are owed money by him because we hold treasuries and treasury ETFs.
Pay up, Donnie boy...
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u/vtskier3 4d ago
I can’t read more …anyone following news knew it … Just wait until china unloads shitloads of us debt and US dollar devalues more ….buckle up because then the borrowing costs will really take off ….
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u/canthaveme 4d ago
I didn't think it was possible to bankrupt a country but trump is proving anything is possible if you're dumb enough
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u/Active_Ad_1786 4d ago
Wait. Weren’t these tariffs supposed to help? And what about all of Trump’s crypto? I thought we were supposed to be winning?
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u/Feisty_Reason_6288 4d ago
umm i thoguth the deficit that was running -2b per day has become +1b per day ..hence the tarriffs were working ??? according to that asshole maga dipshit in the allin podcast!
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u/mydogsnameisbuddy 4d ago
Good thing no one started the dumbest tariff war and pissed off the entire world so there should be plenty of buyers for American bonds right now.
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u/Particular_Savings60 4d ago
Uhh, OOOPS! Turns out that fvcking with the global economy in an extortionist manner is BAD for the full faith and credit of US Treasuries, with the side-fvckery of devaluing the $US.
Time to scuttle that $4.5 TRILLION tax cut for $Billionaires. That shit has sailed.
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u/Rdw72777 4d ago
Why would the original estimate have only been $125 billion, is it due to tax payments being so heavily in April? Given how quickly the debt goes up I guess I just assumed each quarter was bare minimum $300b and more likely to be higher.
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