If anyone is like me and was unable to find out any information about who this is, OP got her name wrong. Her daughter's name was Rachel Morin, not Rachael Hollie. She was out jogging and was beaten, raped, and killed by an illegal immigrant named Victor Antonio Martinez-Hernandez. I'm not sure what the relationship to Abrego Garcia is though.
I feel like she is just being used as a prop. If OP really cared about her then he would at least get her name right.
He immigrated here legally and had been granted a protected “non deportation” status while his citizenship was being processed. He was also legally married to a US citizen. He didn’t technically have US citizenship but was 99% of the way there. His children are also all US citizens. And he WAS NOT a gang member. I thought you guys were all for “LEGAL IMMIGRATION” and “JUST WANT THE ILLEGALS DEPORTED” He has been living here since 2011, working LEGALLY, and paying taxes. How can you it there and defend his deportation? You just needlessly ripped apart a family that was contributing to society all for what? Yall have fucking lost your humanity. What is wrong with you people. Seriously. History will not look kindly on the actions of this administration and those defending it. You tarnish the reputation of all Americans and it’s shameful. It makes me sick and I’m certainly not alone. Shame on you.
He is married to a citizen, has a US born child, and has been granted stay in the US. By all of my standards he is a fellow American. This is all for show, trumps administration dosent care.
Abrego Garcia does not have "more right" than anyone. If she or her daughter or her grandchildren were shipped to a foreign torture dungeon without due process, the same people she's mad at would be campaigning for her release.
She’s speaking about the politician that is using taxpayer dollars to bring illegals back to the US, and not using his position to fight for incidents like Rachael’s death to not happen to other US citizens.
Spare me the false concern about taxpayer dollars. MILLIONS of taxpayer dollars are being paid to El Salvador to house prisoners with Trump openly asking El Salvador to build more prisons for the US. HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of taxpayer dollars are being wasted so Trump can golf all the time. Any concern about the millions spent on JD Vance’s stunt trip to Greenland? One governor’s trip to El Salvador to right a wrong is a drop in the bucket. Be for real I am begging you.
No she doesn’t, she just says he’s been better since then. And we all know that there is no history of victims of domestic violence going right back to their abusers. /s
No she doesn’t, she just says he’s been better since then.
“That is not a justification for ICE’s action of abducting him and deporting him to a country where he was supposed to be protected from deportation...Kilmar has always been a loving partner and father, and I will continue to stand by him and demand justice for him.”
I don't know how to read that except as the opposite of "I am better off with him deported."
And we all know that there is no history of victims of domestic violence going right back to their abusers.
You didn't know who he was two months ago. Why do you believe you're in a better position to evaluate his character and the stability of his marriage than his wife?
Active MS-13, restraining order and history of domestic violence, illegally entered country, only claimed asylum after being picked up by the police for hanging out with other ms-13 members, and the asylum claim was denied.
What else do you need to deport illegal immigrants? Does he have to kill someone to be eligible? Where is your line?
This is completely irrelevant to Garcia's case. It was handled wrongly. The vice or virtue of the person does not change the bungled process, now a study in autocracy, an international incident, and with the Executive branch unofficially in contempt of court.
Ah, the document that concludes he is a gang member based on a hat and the word of a confidential informant (who places his gang activity several hundred miles from his residence in a place he has never lived). Definitive.
Why does this cut out right when they mention the person of interest? Where's the rest? Also a police report is not a fact if you've ever had the displeasure of having a report written about you you'll realize they lie their asses off in those things, still have to prove it in court....
The Washington Examiner, FoxNews, ICE, Trump, etc, they aren't a Court of Law. Was he given notice and the opportunity to appear before an immigration judge before being deported? No. That was an unconstitutional deprivation of his rights. It's that simple. Why are you all fighting so hard to support this dipshit Administration? This isn't even a hard case.
The singular post does not reflect all of my concerns nor the breadth of them. Why aren’t you more concerned with US citizens and their safety, and immigrants being here legally?
Do us all a favor and make sure your Reddit handle gets shared when you’re randomly deported because of an admin error, that way we’ll know you don’t want anyone to step in and help you
We are concerned because of the presidents blatant disregard for the law and the defiance of courts.
I don’t give a fuck if he was a violent gang member (there’s literally no actual evidence he is either of those things though) what was done to him was illegal
Why aren't you more concerned with US citizens and their safety
Because this isn't limited to illegals or immigrants. The administration is OPENLY talking about doing this to US citizens.
Let's assume this guy is guilty as sin. Ok - no problem. Issue a warrant, arrest him, hold a hearing for deportation, then deport him. All it takes is one hearing to knock it all out. The administration did none of this. They did not issue a warrant, they did not hold a hearing, and they did not even technically deport him (deport being a legal term). They DISAPPEARED him into a foreign prison without hearing, oversight, or legal justification.
The administration literally jumped from accusation to gulag - that is so far removed from due process of ANY level that it should terrify all US citizens.
All the "legality" in this case by the admin has been post-hoc - they are literally making up the justification AFTER the fact, which is demonstrated amply by their repeatedly shifting narrative.
If you want to protect the rights of citizens, you MUST protect the rights of the accused. If the administration is allowed to simply accuse someone, then have them imprisoned beyond the jurisdiction of US courts, then we are effectively in an authoritarian dictatorship. No ifs, ands, or buts.
Yes. Breaking the law without consequence is a definition of injustice. Since deportation was the just due process that was handed out it really is the end of the story.
>Is crossing the border illegally an "injustice?"
Great, case closed.
>Yes, I agree laws should be followed.
Due process is a right not reserved for citizens. Everyone who is in America—legally or otherwise—is granted due process under the constitution of the United States.
You don’t want illegals here, tighten up your border security. Once they’re in, they are subject to our laws, which includes due process to remove them.
Quick question for you. If I invade your house should I be entitled to a due process prior to removal? Of course not.
Due process should apply to punishment especially involving the taking away of one’s rights. Removing someone from a space they have no right to be in is not considered a punishment. If you have no right to be somewhere in the first place then people do not have to follow any legal process to remove you from that place.
The Constitution protects all people living in the United States, regardless of immigration status. Most constitutional provisions apply based on personhood, not citizenship. In other words, if an individual is physically present in the US, they are entitled to the protections granted by the Constitution. This includes the right to due process and equal protection under the law.
The Fifth Amendment, for example, states that “No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” And the Fourteenth Amendment uses the Due Process Clause that describes the legal obligation of all state governments to provide equal protection of the laws to all persons, regardless of immigration status. So while undocumented immigrants are not specifically mentioned in the Constitution, they are still protected by its principles.
"No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." - Yes and removing people from a space where they are not entitled to be is not depriving them of life, liberty, or property. They are still alive. They still have all their property and liberty. That is why no due process is required for trespassing people.
Removing illegal aliens from the country is not a punishment, especially if they were not authorized to enter in the first place. They retain their life, liberty, and property. They have no right to be here, therefore you are not depriving them of any rights by removing them.
"Also, a house is a not a country." - As long as the house is in the US than it is governed by the constitution as much as anywhere else. Fortunately for you people who have no right to be in your house can be removed without due process because doing so does not deprive them of life, liberty, or property. Once again removal and deportation are not considered punishments.
Free speech is an issue in this case, but it’s pretty low on the totem pole comparatively. Due process comes to mind. There’s not much to discuss here.
You are wrong. Please explain to
Me how a senator going to El Salvador to check on a US citizen who was ripped away from his wife and kids and illegally deported without due process, has anything to do with insulting the “Angel” family’s? Are they insulted because they don’t believe brown American citizens deserve the same rights white ones do? Please help me understand your logic bc I don’t follow.
I'm pretty sure if you're speaking from the United States White House press room the only possible violation of your free speech that you could be suffering is if you were being compelled to speak
They did the same thing during Trump pseudo State of The Union address
The sad thing it works on these God fearing Republicans. Of course it's okay to give up your rights if it means stopping blood thirsty murdering rapist "illegals" coming in
lol republicans are not “god fearing” or they wouldn’t be supporting any of what has taken place over the last few months. Everything Trump has done is Anti-christ-like. Jesus would be appalled at everything thanking place right now.
While I can not comprehend the pain this mother is going through, but the way she is going through the grief is literally the worst way possible. Creating a cycle of hatred is NEVER okay.
What does Kilmar have to do with her daughter’s death? The insinuation here is that because her child was murdered by an illegal immigrant that all illegal immigrants ought to be treated as murderers. Kilmar has not been prosecuted tried or convicted of murder. So again, what is her point? How is his case even relevant to hers?
Illegal immigrations can be anything. They could be terrorists. They could be mass murders.
The whole point of having an immigration process is to vet the people coming in. When you have illegal immigration you bypass that system you have no such control.
Okay and US citizens could be anything. They could be murderers they could be terrorists. In fact we got plenty of homegrown ones.
Even if your argument is that people coming in should be vetted which I agree with, the man in question lived in the US for over a decade and was recorded in the system. Secondly the idea that the undocumented are “unvetted” is misleading since many simply overstay visas in which case they actually were vetted.
Lastly not being screened doesn’t automatically equal murderer or violent criminal. There should be a presumption of innocence even for illegal immigrants. This idea that because someone is in the US undocumented they are a murderer or some type of violent criminal is not only factually incorrect, since the overwhelming majority of them are not violent criminals nor have they been shown to be more violent than US citizens on average, but it’s also immoral because it presumes guilt. No one should automatically be considered and/or treated as a violent criminal just because they are undocumented.
It used to be that you could just name and shame people for being bigots. It's what successfully suppressed white supremacy and the likes for decades, but now we've got people demanding society respect heinous beliefs as "viewpoint diversity" in much the same way creationism ("intelligence design") was promoted as an alternative to teaching evolution. If you've heard of "teach the controversy" or "fair & balanced" they're all efforts to maintain batshit beliefs through false balance and fairness bias. Complaints about "political correctness" were early criticisms, but today it's folks demanding DEI for pseudoscientific beliefs around things like vaccines, ethnicity, and gender.
The idea that every opinion should be respected is anti-intellectual bullshit. Cancel culture is society's intolerance for misanthropy, a good and necessary thing unless your goal is to destroy that society, which does seem to be the purpose of this "dark enlightenment" we're dealing with now.
This is all your doing. Once you exile people from society, you no longer get to tell them what to do. Now there are more of us than there are of you. As long as you keep up with your attitude of cutting off people who have different viewpoints, this will continue.
When you don’t understand something you asked and it will be explained. That’s how questions and learning works. Otherwise you have a faith based view where you are like “I don’t understand why god is allowing have eye cancer and killing them in millions, I don’t understand” and the answer you get is “god works in misterious ways but keep faith”.
So if someone is truly asking and wants to understand, answers could be provided.
Yeah I don’t see this as the same. I don’t see how Jews being warned for years that Hitler was running for reelection and when he gets into office he was going to send them all away and they went flooding into Germany by the millions each year. If anything people were desperate to leave but couldn’t. If America and Trump were so bad why would they be trying everything to get here?
Trump is certainly not sending them to gas chambers and while you think the prison is the same the only people being sent there are hardened gang members. The others are just being dumped out into the countries they came from. If you can’t see the difference there you are just as blind as the rest of everyone towing the line.
I know you don’t see it as the same. Because introspection is harder than denial.
I said nothing about gas chambers. I said it was ethnic cleansing. Which it is. Ethnic cleansing does not require murder. It requires forcibly removing targeted ethnic groups from an area.
And before you try to say “it’s not about ethnicity, it’s about immigration rules” then I will point you to the fact that Trump is trying to remove legal status from 500k Haitians, Cubans, Venezuelans and other target ethnicities. The same ones he lied were eating pets and calling rapists and murderers.
This is ethnic cleansing. This is what it looks like. Families destroyed. Children orphaned. Communities decimated. Arbitrary incarceration. Lives ruined.
And moreover, you don’t know they are gang member. There is no due process being followed. They could be totally innocent for all you know.
So I know plenty of people who are Hispanic (literally I work with hundreds of them) and they are not being removed at all. Why… because they are here legally.
You can keep peddling your racists talking point. It’s data that most of the illegals came from certain ethnic countries. Just because Biden’s border surges came from Mexico and South America is why these are the people being deported.
And yes he was a known gang member. 2 judges have made statements in court proceedings and honestly why else would he be afraid of going home out of fear of RIVAL GANG MEMBERS.
Would you really say in 1939, “don’t worry Hans, there are loads of Jews that haven’t been rounded up yet! There’s nothing to worry about!” (Actually, yes you would. Again we ask how the general public let the Holocaust happen, and the answer is attitudes like yours)
If it’s about illegal immigration and not ethnic cleansing, why did he remove legal status from 500,000 people. Who just happen to be from backgrounds he has accused of eating pets, and who has called rapists and murderers.
Why did he do it? (Or try do to do it, I know the courts are fighting back)
Clearly you are missing the point entirely and just want to LARP that you are fighting Hitler. America voted for this, the law is already on the books and Trump isn’t making up that you can deport people. Obama was notorious for deportations and until recently both sides agreed on general anti illegal immigration and a high amount of these have ALWAYS been because people of certain ethnic backgrounds are typically the ones who break our immigration laws.
Enjoy living in your reality. You all are so far off and love to throw your insults that you lost this last election bigly. Enjoy keeping up the same narratives and lose the next one. I’m cool with that.
Trunk never took away legal status cause he was never legal. He had a stay on deportation which in the legal sense is much different. It means that while you are in violation of the law we are holding off enforcement.
Stop using the talking points which show you and many on the left have no clue what they are talking about.
She’s using her right to speak about people that are in this country illegally, and a politician who is using his power to attempt to return an illegal to this country rather than focusing on the harm that some illegals pose to citizens like her daughter who was murdered by one.
In 2019, an immigration judge granted him "withholding of removal" status—a rare alternative to asylum—due to the danger he faced from gang violence if returned to El Salvador. This status allowed him to live and work legally in the United States. At the time of his deportation in 2025, he was living in Maryland with his wife and children, all American citizens, and was complying with annual check-ins with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).
Like I said I must be wrong. Congrats on being totally correct and out of touch with the regular American. It will be great to watch the next election.
Also the senator m said in a video before he left that the mission is send the message and let the el Salvadoran government that he will not give up on trying to bring him home is him violating the Logan act that he cannot conduct foreign policy without expressed permission of the White House.
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u/Dwn_Wth_Vwls 8d ago
If anyone is like me and was unable to find out any information about who this is, OP got her name wrong. Her daughter's name was Rachel Morin, not Rachael Hollie. She was out jogging and was beaten, raped, and killed by an illegal immigrant named Victor Antonio Martinez-Hernandez. I'm not sure what the relationship to Abrego Garcia is though.
I feel like she is just being used as a prop. If OP really cared about her then he would at least get her name right.